Hi Felipe,
I cant follow your reasoning how bots are insignificant.
Just as Ziko pointed out, the matrix of bot contributions (and our general experience) tells otherwise.
On larger wikipedias bots account for 5-30% of edits on smaller wikis anything up to 50-70% or even more in rare cases.
Think of the bots that add interwiki links as primary example of activities that account for massive amount of edits.
These may be insignificant on popular articles with 1000s of edits, but most articles have very few edits, the long tail one might call it and there it adds up.
Cheers, Erik
From: wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 23:37 To: glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es; Research into Wikimedia content and communities Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] "Regular contributor"
Hello Felipe,
Maybe we speak about different things now. At http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrix.htm
de http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaDE.htm
ja http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaJA.htm
fr http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaFR.htm
it http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaIT.htm
pl http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPL.htm
es http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaES.htm
nl http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaNL.htm
pt http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPT.htm
ru http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaRU.htm
zh http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaZH.htm
sv http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSV.htm
fi http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaFI.htm
8%
6%
22%
25%
26%
15%
29%
30%
26%
15%
23%
22%
The bot share of all edits is not that insignificant.
Ziko
2008/11/13 Felipe Ortega glimmer_phoenix@yahoo.es
Hi, Erik, and all.
IMHO, it would be a good idea...but not definitely an urgent one. In our analyses on the top-ten Wikipedias, we found that bots contributions introduced very few noise in data (to be precise statistically, it was not significant at all).
You also have the additional problem that some bots are not identified in the users_group table.
My "practical impression" is that when you deal with overall figures, then bots are irrelevant. However, if you want to focus in special metrics like concentration indexes then their contribution DOES MATTER, since a very active bot in one month may ruin your measurments.
Regards,
Felipe.
--- El mié, 22/10/08, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com escribió:
De: Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com Asunto: [Wiki-research-l] "Regular contributor" Para: wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: miércoles, 22 octubre, 2008 9:55
Statistics, with "Wikipedians",
"active" and "very active users";
like often, Zachte's Statistics are great, but
easily misleading.
Also keep in mind that most figures in wikistats still include bot edits.
IMO it becomes more and more urgent to present separate counts for humans and bots.
For instance in eo: 54% of total edits for all time were bot edits, but most
of these will be from recent years, so the percentage will be even higher
for recent years.
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/BotActivityMatrix.htm
Erik Zachte
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