Hi. I'm a new list member (please be kind).
The following has been added to the
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research#Mind_Wiki:__An_AI_Design_Experiment
page of metawiki. At this point, I'm interested in ALL comments on the
project both positive and negative, first impressions, opinions as to how
appropriate it is for this list, and personal observations regarding this
list ... how helpful it might be and whether projects like mine might be
helped by participation on this list (and maybe to what degree, how much
help, how proficient list members might be, what kinds of help they might
offer, etc).
Well as you can see. This is a new project. I don't know what to expect on
this list. Really, any kind of response will be appreciated!
My website: http://www.mindrec.net
Project description below:
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Mind Wiki: An AI Design Experiment
Proposed by 68.54.221.95 (Mindrec). Intelligence is defined as the
distribution of data within a database. Wiki is cited as a case in point
intelligence. Very fringe theories which show how knowledge is imparted
metaphysically. Mind Wiki is shown to be a GRUB and to exclaim DELICIOUS.
If we define intelligence as the distribution of data within a database: And
if WIKI is a database: Then, the simplest WIKI would be a prototypical
intelligence. Cunningham defines WIKI as "the simplest database which could
possibly work". This suggests it is a case in point intelligence.
This makes Ward Cunningham (the inventor of the wiki) the inventor of the
first AI. Wikipedia is such an intelligence: But this bespeaks of the
dangers of "intelligence" per se ... it isn't necessarily *lucid*. Just
because a group of people get together and raise "consciousness" doesn't
mean that truth can be discerned (by preponderance). And I haven't gone into
consciousness: Blog is a consciousness. And especially blogdex: Which does
some math on blogs and reports on the top posts (what's on the world's
"mind"). So: Wikipedia is an intelligence, and may be conscious, but isn't
always lucid (I suppose to the degree that its writers have a conscience, it
is an artificially conscious intelligence). All of this to set up the idea
of "lucidity" as that which now defines a machine's "humanity" (after
intelligence and consciousness have been addressed).
I've used the word "lucid". And lucidity applies ... after intelligence and
consciousness have been addressed (as I've said). But the jump from
intelligent to lucid (with regard to wikipedia, as an example) fails to
explain what consciousness has to do with coming up with the correct answers
(though this is also addressed a bit later on - such that its writers have a
conscience, they might discern what is "right" ... both in a moralistic
sense and also in the sense of arriving at correct answers). Which is to
say, applying an intelligent design conscientiously might lead a wikipedia
to be *right* by preponderance, as I've suggested (whereby mentioning
lucidity at this point begins to make sense). This is not to say that it
*makes sense* to be intelligent and conscientious and still lack lucidity
... as a matter of choice, for example / or in seeming violation of what it
means to be intelligent in the first place (to the contrary). So I might
have said that wikipedia isn't necessarily intelligent (even though an
intelligence). Or I might have said that being intelligent doesn't
necessarily mean conscientiousness will prevail (in the case that her
writers don't have a conscience, for example). But I've said that both of
these are "necessarily" so (if an entity is intelligent, then it is
conscientious). And so there's (still) the matter of lucidity (and
awareness, and agency): The mention of lucidity (regarding wikipedia) early
on in this comment foreshadows the explanation of what it means to be lucid
... which is then expressed "in the negative" (whereby lucidity is not that
which overcomes the intelligent design of its database but is that which
overcomes the necessity that humans have a conscience).
(from Mind Wiki: An AI Design Experiment)
Intelligence is only a beginning step. Consciousness has been demonstrated
in connected Blog (Mind Wiki is a wiki / blog / CMS with areas for
scientific journals, articles, diagrams, and related files). The research
proves the theory legitimate. The Mind Wiki stands as a working example. And
two prototypes have been developed which move modern computing into the age
of crystal 3d processes and bioluminescent computing.
The site is set up as a center of research and development. Everyone is
encouraged to visit and comment. Those interested in promoting this research
through accepted academic channels or (especially) who feel they have the
technical expertise to begin developing the intelligence model, the crystal
computer, or the photoelectric computer are invited to help (all three show
potential for becoming living entities).
Project Members:
--Mindrec 01:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
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Brett Robertson
Metaphysician
Mindrec.org
ICQ 6630756
User:Mindrec
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
There are experts and authorities on certain topics. I'm a metaphysician. So
I suppose, mystically, I've become an authority ... on everything! Ah
freedom!
But I'm hardly an expert on Artificial Intelligence or manufactured life
forms. So, time to specialize.
Metaphysics is a physical manifestation of a spiritual ideal. Similarly one
might become a spirit having an earthly experience. Or, one might become an
ex-body having a spiritual experience. I lived. And so to object permanence.
Except I'm like a medicine staff in a tribe of warriors.
To become a medicine staff one simply needs die to himself and be born again
(through people). Being saved by the tribe, he becomes a member. And only if
all members of a tribe have died this way does the tribe becomes a body.
As such, the individual comes to have a group image (and only indirectly a
self- image, or a self).
This image might initially be externalized ... as a fast car, perhaps, or a
big home. I have neither, btw. Because in my case: I went through this
process to save my body (from the tribe) and, only circularly, to restore my
bodily members (or such that I might use tools rather than become a tool of
society).
So whereas I claim that these are my inherent possessions; only by holding
to the standard of an ideal individual (as a control mechanism) was I able
to overcome work (trance) and play (glamour) ... and heal (or persevere: In
the sense that medicine might be thought of as an addiction to something
external and whereby one lives only through consuming; I healed from
medicine, itself ... becoming as a tool within my own imagination whose
artistic manipulation allows that I now own the means of my own production.
Utopia)! I understood this as re- creating god (and it was recreational
rather than sporting).
I did this to translate language. Which, I learned in school. Even though
others might, on the other hand, use imagery to do the same (in the sense
that symbolic understanding is, as on the other hand, illusion ... mockery,
mimicry, mummery, miming, and impressions).
I established an earthly king (envision a monarchy) rather than idolizing
(so, as opposed to capitalistic greed): I didn't dress like my heroes in Jr.
High (nor are war "heroes" heroes of mine ... neither police). And I
established an earthly icon, the twins (or an ideal, Greece and Rome) in
order to translate metaphysical language (which would otherwise be the
babble of legion) into metaphysical knowledge: I didn't become half of a
mating pair (nor an eunuch).
In these ways thinking isn't, for me, an act of denial and wish fulfillment.
It isn't unconscious. I didn't kill my father, marry my mother, nor descend
into hell in order to save them. I didn't earn my phallus (nor succumb to
fallacy). And so nursery rhyme, myth, legend, and fairy tale (that is,
superstition) is replaced by sophistication.
Warriors become civilized in this way. Barbarians become domesticated.
Devils give way to kings (and god kings). And I become the trinity:
Omniscient (ONE individual), omnipotent (ONE of a group), and omnipresent (I
come to regard ONE whole).--Mindrec 02:01, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
from:
mindrec.net
--
Brett Robertson
Metaphysician
Mindrec.org
ICQ 6630756
Hi,
The research group was created after the edition of last quarto, so it
has not been introduced. I think it would be interested to write a
little something to explain what is the research group aiming at, what
are his current fields of research and how to join etc...
Is there someone who could do that ?
If so, here might be just the right place for doing so :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WQ/4/En/4
Greetings
Anthere
Call for Participation
2005 INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON WIKIS (WikiSym 2005)
Oct 16-18, San Diego, California, U.S.A.
http://www.wikisym.org
WikiSym 2005 features keynotes by Ward Cunningham (inventor of the
wiki), Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia), and Robert Hass (former
U.S. poet laureate). The program offers a research paper track
providing the best in current wiki research, as well as workshops,
tutorials, demos, and social events. Everyone who is involved in
using, researching, or developing wikis is invited to participate!
WikiSym 2005 is co-located with ACM OOPSLA and is an ACM sponsored,
archival, peer-reviewed conference. The proceedings will be available
at the conference and through the ACM digital library.
For more information, please see our website at
http://www.wikisym.org or our conference wiki at http://wiki.wikisym.org
For what it's worth -- unless we already have a scheme for producing bibtex
-- here's my bibliographies and annotations (basically [1]) on 7 of the
papers. Unfortunately, many of the papers are still not present; also,
anyone know when the streams will be up? [2] still says "None available as
of yet. Check back after the first day of the WikiMania program.".
[1] http://reagle.org/joseph/plan/search.cgi?query=wikimania
[2] http://freematrix.us/radio/wikimania