For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* qgil@wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
This proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Wikipedia
Hello, I see two points, the first is non-technical: We should have little bridges between both projects on each continent, in each country. These bridges could be volunteers or employees of chapters (only part-time). It would be nice if we could promote OSM together with WP where it is necessary. It would be nice if would be able to give a minimum on tech. support for the community. It would be also nice to make some local events together and combine the results of different data collecting. With the maps&geo-team we should also have an central point in WMF to reduce internal friction.
The second point: The most interesting technical project I see in the moment would be to set-up vector-tiles-rendering, it would allow us to use multilingualmaps on a large style and would give us flexiblity to design different maps without the database as a bottle neck. I know it would be not easy to deploy the existing software from mapbox, but it seems possible, with some help.
Greetings Tim
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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For the first point from Tim, Wikimedia CH will try the following experiment:
*Wikimedia CH staff promote OSM along with Wikimedia Projects, we are in contact with OSMF to have also promoting materials for this project, but the help and inputs of any volunteers coming from both community is more than welcomed. *The « big french speaker » meeting this summer will included a guided tour of Lausanne, with a focus on OSM, adding POI and illustrating the respective articles on Wikipedia *Next Wikimedia CH photo contest is most likely to use OSM as support to display the "articles to illustrate », the core target of the contest. Here too, we would really appreciate the help of other wikimedians to make this part of the contest awesome, like having a tools allowing to draw an area in OSM and retrieving the list of Wikipedia articles without illustrations in this area (based on geolocalized articles).
Cheers
Charles
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Le 11 mai 2014 à 01:57, Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de a écrit :
Hello, I see two points, the first is non-technical: We should have little bridges between both projects on each continent, in each country. These bridges could be volunteers or employees of chapters (only part-time). It would be nice if we could promote OSM together with WP where it is necessary. It would be nice if would be able to give a minimum on tech. support for the community. It would be also nice to make some local events together and combine the results of different data collecting. With the maps&geo-team we should also have an central point in WMF to reduce internal friction.
The second point: The most interesting technical project I see in the moment would be to set-up vector-tiles-rendering, it would allow us to use multilingualmaps on a large style and would give us flexiblity to design different maps without the database as a bottle neck. I know it would be not easy to deploy the existing software from mapbox, but it seems possible, with some help.
Greetings Tim
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Hello, other point we (CristianCantoro and I) found is OAuth/OpenID. It's a shame that you can edit OSM with a facebook account, but not with a Wikipedia account. Other direction that OSMler should be able to upload pictures to Commons and edit Wikidata/Wikipedia is also interesting.
Developers should solve this problem, to reduce hurdles.
Greetings Tim
In terms of tiles.. FYI https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33980
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de wrote:
Hello, other point we (CristianCantoro and I) found is OAuth/OpenID. It's a shame that you can edit OSM with a facebook account, but not with a Wikipedia account. Other direction that OSMler should be able to upload pictures to Commons and edit Wikidata/Wikipedia is also interesting.
Developers should solve this problem, to reduce hurdles.
Greetings Tim
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On 05/11/2014 06:27 AM, Jon Robson wrote:
In terms of tiles.. FYI https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33980
FYI,
The migration of the OSM tileserver infrastructure from the toolserver to labs is progressing some what and there is now an instance hosted in labs.
A demonstration map of it can be found under http://a.tiles.wmflabs.org/osm/slippymap.html
At the moment it isn't quite ready for inclusion into projects yet, but hopefully we will be able to get it "production ready" (as far as labs goes) in the not too distant future. Hopefully we can then also start migrating things like the osm gadget to this and do more interesting things.
Kai
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de wrote:
Hello, other point we (CristianCantoro and I) found is OAuth/OpenID. It's a shame that you can edit OSM with a facebook account, but not with a Wikipedia account. Other direction that OSMler should be able to upload pictures to Commons and edit Wikidata/Wikipedia is also interesting.
Developers should solve this problem, to reduce hurdles.
Greetings Tim
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Hello, here the next technical point on my wish-list: It would be nice to make the OSM-software-stack more flexible and easier to use for external usage. With software-stack I mean the website, database, editors, API and rendering. It should be possible to handle different data-source like layers.
(This wish comes in a discussion with Tim Water from OpenHistoMap.)
We have in Wikipedia the problem that we want to handle geodata that are out of scope of OSM. One kind of objects are historical data handled by OHM, and it will be very easy to link these objects with Wikidata, like we are doing it with our project WIWOSM. Other kind of objects are fuzzy geometries like the Alps, the habitat of a species, ... . For this kind of objects we would like to have the same software stack than for OSM and OHM (editor, database, API, ...). I would give this idea a working title: Open-Wikidata-map.
For this project we would need an easy to maintain software stack and users should contribute with existing editors.
Setup OSM-clones for different use-cases should be so easy like to install a mediawiki, perhaps it could be like MediaWiki-Vagrant.
Greetings Tim
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Thank you for all the feedback, now listed at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
Please watch this page, edit it, and add links to OpenStreetMap related pages we might have in other places. We don't have a single page to find all the technical collaboration initiatives between OSM and Wikimedia, and this could be the one.
Now, back to the topic of the Tech Talk. What about a session focusing on the tile server, what it is, which features it will enable, what it means to OSM, who is involved...?
If we can get 1-2 people from each organization the we have an interesting session guaranteed. One hour in some day between May 27-29.
What do you think?
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you for all the feedback, now listed at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
Please watch this page, edit it, and add links to OpenStreetMap related pages we might have in other places. We don't have a single page to find all the technical collaboration initiatives between OSM and Wikimedia, and this could be the one.
Shouldn't the following Meta-Wiki page be the central page?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
Note that there's also the counterpart page on the OSM Wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia
I would prefer to use the Tech Talk for the greater ideas that are now in the wiki.
I'm sure that there will be also ideas are comming from OSM where Wikimedia can help. One point I hear from Simon Poole was to support arial images (free and user-generated), for this we are talking about 20-100 Terra-bytes of data. I see this as next logical step after http://opengeoserver.at/ was supported by WMDE. It would help both projects, we would get arial maps and OSM can use this as a source.
I see this round to define the big perspective how both projects can cooperate in the next years.
On the tile-server Kai, Alexandros and I are working on it. Kai is strongly involved in OpenStreetMap. When everything is working, we will surely talk about priorities of different map styles. In the moment I have following styles in the focus: *Mapnik-default, -nolabels *Hikebike *black&white *WikiMiniAtlas *Multilingualmap *Hillshading These styles will be the basement for further styles. They are coming from Toolserver and are there the most popular once. So it's simple to define priorities in the moment. We are open for suggestions, but I see not a reason to involve a large group of people in the moment.
Greetings Tim
Am 16.05.2014 00:27, schrieb Quim Gil:
Thank you for all the feedback, now listed at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
Please watch this page, edit it, and add links to OpenStreetMap related pages we might have in other places. We don't have a single page to find all the technical collaboration initiatives between OSM and Wikimedia, and this could be the one.
Now, back to the topic of the Tech Talk. What about a session focusing on the tile server, what it is, which features it will enable, what it means to OSM, who is involved...?
If we can get 1-2 people from each organization the we have an interesting session guaranteed. One hour in some day between May 27-29.
What do you think?
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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On Friday, May 16, 2014, Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de wrote:
I would prefer to use the Tech Talk for the greater ideas that are now in the wiki.
Tim, the Tech Talk can be about any topic that Wikimedia contributors like you and OSM wants to discuss. I only need to know who wants to talk about what and when. Please decide and we will schedule accordingly. All the better if you can find a time slot between May 27-29.
About having the page in mediawiki.org or Meta, please decide whatever makes more sense to coordinate your work. I updated an old page page in mediawiki.org because this nowdays is the wiki to coordinate development activities. Many of these projects will run not just in Wikimedia wikis but also on any MediaWiki. What really matters is that there is one page known and maintained by all parties instead of three obsolete pages known and used only by a few.
Hi Quim,
which are the most important technical topics
How we can support users in WP and OSM for tagging/linking objects from WD, WP, Commons and OSM together. (online tool, JOSM, ...)
Example: OpenSeaMap shows nautical infrastructure like harbours and lighthouses in the chart and would like to link it to WP and Commons. Therefore we look for a structure and a work flow.
Also it would be nice to show OpenSeaMap charts in WP-articles around sea, rivers, water sport and shipping affairs (slippymap).
Best regards, Markus
Hello, we have some topics now for larger cooperation-projects between Wikipedia and OSM[1] and we should perhaps use the SOTM-EU for a little chat. It seem that around 6 people that are more or less active in both world will be there.
I see a time-window on Friday 13th June, 18:00 German time (MEZ summertime). As software we would use Google Hangout.
What do you think about?
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1]http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/2014/05/19/maps-at-the-zurich-hackathon/#Collab...
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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I'm up for it! Have you gathered the troops in Karlsruhe already?
Susanna
2014-06-11 0:15 GMT+03:00 Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de:
Hello, we have some topics now for larger cooperation-projects between Wikipedia and OSM[1] and we should perhaps use the SOTM-EU for a little chat. It seem that around 6 people that are more or less active in both world will be there.
I see a time-window on Friday 13th June, 18:00 German time (MEZ summertime). As software we would use Google Hangout.
What do you think about?
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1] http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/2014/05/19/maps-at-the-zurich-hackathon/#Collab...
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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I briefly spoke to Tim earlier today, Cristian is coming in later in the afternoon.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@wikimedia.fi wrote:
I'm up for it! Have you gathered the troops in Karlsruhe already?
Susanna
2014-06-11 0:15 GMT+03:00 Tim Alder tim@alder-digital.de:
Hello, we have some topics now for larger cooperation-projects between Wikipedia and OSM[1] and we should perhaps use the SOTM-EU for a little chat. It seem that around 6 people that are more or less active in both world will be there.
I see a time-window on Friday 13th June, 18:00 German time (MEZ summertime). As software we would use Google Hangout.
What do you think about?
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1]http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/2014/05/19/maps-at-the-zurich-hackathon/#Collab...
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Hello, we have today at 6PM room 137. This is one of the BOF-rooms in building B (outside of the building is a silver tower with stairs to this room).
Here my rough selection of topics from [1] we can talk about in very limited time of one hour:
Topic A: State of OSM at WMFLabs, future demands e.g. Vector tiles rendering
Topic B: Collect aerial imagery (20-200 TB)
Topic C: OpenWikidataMap/OpenHistoricalMap
Topic D: Connecting both projects e.g.Log in to OSM with Wikimedia credentials
I order the topics by decreasing demand of WMF-engineering support.
I poke all locales in Karlsruhe I could get.
Greetings Tim
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Am 10.06.2014 23:15, schrieb Tim Alder:
Hello, we have some topics now for larger cooperation-projects between Wikipedia and OSM[1] and we should perhaps use the SOTM-EU for a little chat. It seem that around 6 people that are more or less active in both world will be there.
I see a time-window on Friday 13th June, 18:00 German time (MEZ summertime). As software we would use Google Hangout.
What do you think about?
Greetings Tim alias Kolossos
[1]http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/2014/05/19/maps-at-the-zurich-hackathon/#Collab...
Am 10.05.2014 23:59, schrieb Quim Gil:
For your information, today at the Wikimedia Hackathon some of us had the pleasure to walk, learn, and talk with Simon Poole, chairman of the OpenStreetMap Foundation.
Long story short, we could talk more and collaborate better beyond the priceless personal dedication of some volunteers with links in both projects.
Let's have a chat! Online. In your opinion, which are the most important technical topics that Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap should discuss?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Quim Gil* <qgil@wikimedia.org mailto:qgil@wikimedia.org> Date: Saturday, May 10, 2014 Subject: We need to organize a Tech Talk To: simon@osm
Please check with your community which are the 1-2 topics that they would like to discuss with Wikimedia Foundation engineers and the technical community in general.
Let's start with 1-2 only. If there are more, let's document all of them at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects -- OSM *must* be in our radar.
Thank you for the conversation and the walk!
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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