On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist. I've offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be needed to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:33, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <
avarab@gmail.com>
wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist.
I've
offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be
needed
to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
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Hi,
I would be willing to assist with setting up the server ... But I would need root or sudo access and no one of wikimedia etc. has ever heard my name so I don't expect them to grant this.
I'm running some servers (RHEL, Debian) for the company I work for... So if there are any linux system administration related questions feel free to ask :)
Julian Picht
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <
avarab@gmail.com>
wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist.
I've
offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be
needed
to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
When do you leave and be unavailable?
I have been travelling and/or sick (still sick) for most of July, but should be around much more in August. I signed up for a toolserver account and then need to be setup on cassini. (username: aude)
For getting some map tools going and other setup, who else is available that can get root access? Can the current ts admins help with setting things up similar to how the existing boxes are set?
-Aude
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On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Audeaude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist. I've offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be needed to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
When do you leave and be unavailable?
I'll be off on and off for much of August. This weekend (fri-mon) I'm doing some volunteer work in the Icelandic highlands far from any GSM or Wifi reception (and electricity for that matter). Then I'm online again for 10 days (but trying to be on vacation) and after that I'm basically offline until wikimania.
I have been travelling and/or sick (still sick) for most of July, but should be around much more in August. I signed up for a toolserver account and then need to be setup on cassini. (username: aude)
For getting some map tools going and other setup, who else is available that can get root access? Can the current ts admins help with setting things up similar to how the existing boxes are set?
DaBPunkt (existing toolserver admin) expressed some interest in helping. But his interests are mostly with the main ts cluster. (But see my other reply in this thread).
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist. I've offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be needed to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
I see that cassini is a debian. Making the scripts work should be little more than running apt-get install php5 python2.5 perl
I'd be willing to help but for anyone to help on it, he would need to be given appropiate access to the box.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 18:40, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <
avarab@gmail.com>
wrote:
And really, this server needs a better administrator than me. I'm only doing it because I needed it to develop the SlippyMap extension & related infrastructure and it seemed like nobody else could be found to do it. But I'm not familiar enough with how to set such a box up properly nor do I really have the interest since system administering isn't a project I like doing in my spare time.
I'm not sure what kind of help you need, but I'd be willing to assist.
I've
offered some assistance in the past, but I'm not sure what would be
needed
to get enough access to help in a meaningful way.
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
I see that cassini is a debian. Making the scripts work should be little more than running apt-get install php5 python2.5 perl
python and perl should be installed with the base system. but it won't hurt to try to install them anyways...
here some copy&paste commands to install some useful stuff
*apache2 + php5 + mysql-lib + pgsql-lib:* apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql php5-pgsql
*php5 for command line:* apt-get install php5-cli
*python+postgres+mysql for apache2:* apt-get install libapache2-mod-python python-pgsql python-mysqldb
*perl for apache2:* apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2
*to speed up php5 with apache2 (a php bytecode cache):* apt-get install php5-xcache
*also nice to have (graphic libraries):* apt-get install php5-gd imagemagick php5-imagick
*for c/c++ development:* apt-get install build-essential
*version management:* apt-get install cvs subversion git-core git-svn
Cheers, Julian Picht
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.comwrote:
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
Well, there have been 3 people who have offered some degree of help.
Can access be granted by you, or do we need to go through some kind of vetting process?
The sooner we can get this part worked out the better, especially if you are going to be absent in August.
Thanks, Gerald
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
Well, there have been 3 people who have offered some degree of help. Can access be granted by you, or do we need to go through some kind of vetting process?
Not by me without approval, and yes, *some* vetting process (or something)
The sooner we can get this part worked out the better, especially if you are going to be absent in August.
I'm basically unfamiliar with the whole Toolserver setup. I was just given shell to set things up and was considered trusted because I have shell on the main Wikimedia servers.
Daniel, what would it take politics-wise to give these fine people the required permissions? (Or anyone else who knows)
Hi all
Always keep in mind that we are dealing with two things: a) the OSM-toolserver and b) the OSM production boxes, that is, database and renderer. From an organizational point of view, they are hanldes very differently, especially with regards to root access:
a) the OSM-toolserver is part of the toolserver cluster and run by wikimedia germany. Getting root there entails getting root on the toolserver cluster in gbeneral. This in turn means access to private user data of all of wikimedia's wikis (settings, IPs, emial address, password hashes, etc). This is why we are very restricting with handing out such access, and why the foundation has the final word in who does get access. The process is basically that the existing toolserver admins suggest someone for access, and Brion approves (or not). Basically, the question is if the wikimedia community (tens of thousands of active contributors!) can be expected to trust these people with their personal info.
b) the OSM database and renderer boxes are part of the squid cluster in amsterdam, and run by the wikimedia foundation. We (wikimedia germany and the toolserver admins) don't have any say over them. Getting root there does not imply any additional access though, nor does it give access to private user data (beyond the IPs of people loading tiles, i guess). These boxes are maintained by Jens Frank (who is hard to reach these days), the cluster is maintained by Mark Bergsma. The final word has, again, Brion. We, or better, you, can of course make suggestions. Getting access here is probably simpler than getting root on the toolserver - they are production systems, but breaking them just breaks OSM support, nothing else (hopefully). And there's no access to private data, so there's little potential for abuse.
In any case potential admins would need to provide proof of identity, be of legal age (i think this means at least 18 *and* legal in their country of residence). Also, they would be bound by the foundation's privacy policy http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy and, in case of the Toolserver, the Toolserver terms of use and adminship https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Rules. I can imaging that the foundation would also like to have some paper signed, especially with people they don't really know. Usually, this kind of access is granted to people known for a long time and in person.
Regards, Daniel
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Gerald Ageraldablists@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
Basically someone else than me who has time and know how (which I don't really have:) needs to take care of it.
I'll be away from the internet for most of August so if another admin isn't found the box will be crippled for the near future.
Well, there have been 3 people who have offered some degree of help. Can access be granted by you, or do we need to go through some kind of vetting process?
Not by me without approval, and yes, *some* vetting process (or something)
The sooner we can get this part worked out the better, especially if you are going to be absent in August.
I'm basically unfamiliar with the whole Toolserver setup. I was just given shell to set things up and was considered trusted because I have shell on the main Wikimedia servers.
Daniel, what would it take politics-wise to give these fine people the required permissions? (Or anyone else who knows)