Is there any "standard" tool to build upon, for MARC to {{cite book}} etc. conversion? I know of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MARCsman but it died with Toolserver; if there's nothing else, it's worth reviving.
Context: as part of the work at BEIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC ) I want to figure out a quick and clean way to reference, on it.wiki articles, books in their digital library: I'll probably use {{cita libro}} or a wrapper for it. Metadata is in MARC, like http://131.175.183.1/webclient/MetadataManager?pid=116634&descriptive_on...
In addition we'll also upload hundreds books on Commons, see the discussion there: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Book#Ancient_book_with_institution The only tools I know for metadata conversion towards Commons are BUB and ia-upload (relying on Internet Archive).
Nemo@BEIC
Maybe you know about it already, there is this concept alignment that Aubrey did some time ago https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUF...
I hope you can build upon it.
Cheers, Micru
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any "standard" tool to build upon, for MARC to {{cite book}} etc. conversion? I know of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MARCsman but it died with Toolserver; if there's nothing else, it's worth reviving.
Context: as part of the work at BEIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC ) I want to figure out a quick and clean way to reference, on it.wiki articles, books in their digital library: I'll probably use {{cita libro}} or a wrapper for it. Metadata is in MARC, like http://131.175.183.1/webclient/MetadataManager?pid= 116634&descriptive_only=true
In addition we'll also upload hundreds books on Commons, see the discussion there: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Book# Ancient_book_with_institution The only tools I know for metadata conversion towards Commons are BUB and ia-upload (relying on Internet Archive).
Nemo@BEIC
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It would be *very* cool to build a mapping between MARC and Wikidata properties, or Book templates in WPedias Of course, every template is different, although I remember a talk in Wikimania about standardisation... As part of my IEG on Wikisource, I developed the draft that David linked, but it's very basic. I don't know how far the work has gone in developing a Commons "wikidata" repository, and I'm not sure if Liam's (and others) work with the GLAMWIKI toolset is related or not. But we can definitely have a chat all together to update each other, and see what is the state of the art regarding book metadata, templates and Wikidata.
Aubrey
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe you know about it already, there is this concept alignment that Aubrey did some time ago
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUF...
I hope you can build upon it.
Cheers, Micru
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any "standard" tool to build upon, for MARC to {{cite book}} etc. conversion? I know of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MARCsman but it died with Toolserver; if there's nothing else, it's worth reviving.
Context: as part of the work at BEIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC ) I want to figure out a quick and clean way to reference, on it.wiki articles, books in their digital library: I'll probably use {{cita libro}} or a wrapper for it. Metadata is in MARC, like http://131.175.183.1/webclient/MetadataManager?pid= 116634&descriptive_only=true
In addition we'll also upload hundreds books on Commons, see the discussion there: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Book# Ancient_book_with_institution The only tools I know for metadata conversion towards Commons are BUB and ia-upload (relying on Internet Archive).
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Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates?
Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
kc
On 10/5/14, 10:50 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
It would be *very* cool to build a mapping between MARC and Wikidata properties, or Book templates in WPedias Of course, every template is different, although I remember a talk in Wikimania about standardisation... As part of my IEG on Wikisource, I developed the draft that David linked, but it's very basic. I don't know how far the work has gone in developing a Commons "wikidata" repository, and I'm not sure if Liam's (and others) work with the GLAMWIKI toolset is related or not. But we can definitely have a chat all together to update each other, and see what is the state of the art regarding book metadata, templates and Wikidata.
Aubrey
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, David Cuenca <dacuetu@gmail.com mailto:dacuetu@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you know about it already, there is this concept alignment that Aubrey did some time ago https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUFkWndQWUZyemc#gid=0 I hope you can build upon it. Cheers, Micru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>> wrote: Is there any "standard" tool to build upon, for MARC to {{cite book}} etc. conversion? I know of https://meta.wikimedia.org/__wiki/MARCsman <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MARCsman> but it died with Toolserver; if there's nothing else, it's worth reviving. Context: as part of the work at BEIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/__wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC> ) I want to figure out a quick and clean way to reference, on it.wiki articles, books in their digital library: I'll probably use {{cita libro}} or a wrapper for it. Metadata is in MARC, like http://131.175.183.1/__webclient/MetadataManager?pid=__116634&descriptive_only=true <http://131.175.183.1/webclient/MetadataManager?pid=116634&descriptive_only=true> In addition we'll also upload hundreds books on Commons, see the discussion there: <https://commons.wikimedia.__org/wiki/Template_talk:Book#__Ancient_book_with_institution <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Book#Ancient_book_with_institution>> The only tools I know for metadata conversion towards Commons are BUB and ia-upload (relying on Internet Archive). Nemo@BEIC _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries> -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non _______________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries
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Yes, there are a lot of mapping (which would need a review and an upadate) and there is no {{cite}} template. I was focused on Infobox template, as I was interested in Wikisource book metadata system to display standard book information. More or less, the standard information is covered by the mappings, and by all different Wikisource and Infobox templates in all the Wikipedias. A standard way of doing this, of course, would be better :-)
Moreover, if I'm not mistaken, {{cite}} templates are more complex and NOT mapped with these templates.
Which OL tool are you talking about? Do you have a link?
Aubrey
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates?
Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
kc
On 10/5/14, 10:50 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
It would be *very* cool to build a mapping between MARC and Wikidata properties, or Book templates in WPedias Of course, every template is different, although I remember a talk in Wikimania about standardisation... As part of my IEG on Wikisource, I developed the draft that David linked, but it's very basic. I don't know how far the work has gone in developing a Commons "wikidata" repository, and I'm not sure if Liam's (and others) work with the GLAMWIKI toolset is related or not. But we can definitely have a chat all together to update each other, and see what is the state of the art regarding book metadata, templates and Wikidata.
Aubrey
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM, David Cuenca <dacuetu@gmail.com mailto:dacuetu@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe you know about it already, there is this concept alignment that Aubrey did some time ago https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUFkWndQWUZyemc#gid=0
I hope you can build upon it. Cheers, Micru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>> wrote: Is there any "standard" tool to build upon, for MARC to {{cite book}} etc. conversion? I know of https://meta.wikimedia.org/__wiki/MARCsman <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MARCsman> but it died with Toolserver; if there's nothing else, it's worth reviving. Context: as part of the work at BEIC (https://en.wikipedia.org/__wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC> ) I want to figure out a quick and clean way to reference, on it.wiki articles, books in their digital library: I'll probably use {{cita libro}} or a wrapper for it. Metadata is in MARC, like http://131.175.183.1/__webclient/MetadataManager?pid=__116634&descriptive_only=true http://131.175.183.1/webclient/MetadataManager?pid= 116634&descriptive_only=true
In addition we'll also upload hundreds books on Commons, see the discussion there: <https://commons.wikimedia.__org/wiki/Template_talk:Book#__Ancient_book_with_institution https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Book# Ancient_book_with_institution> The only tools I know for metadata conversion towards Commons are BUB and ia-upload (relying on Internet Archive).
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On 10/5/14, 11:48 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
Which OL tool are you talking about? Do you have a link?
Sorry, should have included that ;-)
On any edition page, e.g.: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_Tom_Sawyer
down at the bottom right there are links to various citation formats. Click on the Wikipedia Citation and you get:
{{Citation |isbn = 0553211285 |publication-place = New York |title = Adventures of Tom Sawyer |url = http://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_Tom_Sawyer |author = Mark Twain |edition = The adventures of Tom Sawyer |publication-date = 1920 |id = 0553211285 }}
I often remove the URL, which is to the OL page, not the book, and the id, which is a duplicate of the ISBN. Oddly, the edition property, above, doesn't seem to have caused me problems, but I now see that it is a duplicate of the title. That has to do with the attempt to divide OL into Works and Editions (kind of FRBR-ish, but also very similar to BIBFRAME's Work and Instance).
kc
I'm happy to help with creating or reviving an online tool, if a spec is made.
A. On Oct 5, 2014 10:03 PM, "Karen Coyle" kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
On 10/5/14, 11:48 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote:
Which OL tool are you talking about? Do you have a link?
Sorry, should have included that ;-)
On any edition page, e.g.: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_Tom_Sawyer
down at the bottom right there are links to various citation formats. Click on the Wikipedia Citation and you get:
{{Citation |isbn = 0553211285 |publication-place = New York |title = Adventures of Tom Sawyer |url = http://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_ Tom_Sawyer |author = Mark Twain |edition = The adventures of Tom Sawyer |publication-date = 1920 |id = 0553211285 }}
I often remove the URL, which is to the OL page, not the book, and the id, which is a duplicate of the ISBN. Oddly, the edition property, above, doesn't seem to have caused me problems, but I now see that it is a duplicate of the title. That has to do with the attempt to divide OL into Works and Editions (kind of FRBR-ish, but also very similar to BIBFRAME's Work and Instance).
kc
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Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 21:02:
Which OL tool are you talking about? Do you have a link?
Sorry, should have included that ;-)
On any edition page, e.g.: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_Tom_Sawyer
down at the bottom right there are links to various citation formats. Click on the Wikipedia Citation and you get:
Thanks, I had forgotten they have this. I don't know how portable that template format is across our Wikimedia projects, but it may make sense to work on it. The HTML calling the script is at https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/blob/c3f3b61999f020cecdfceeb2... Does it make sense to import MARC into OL to get template format out of it, or would that be absurd? That's more or less what we do with Google Books > IA > Commons.
Nemo
Federico, is there a place where we can store all these infos, tools and links regarding metadata and Wiki things? On Meta? on wikisource.org? on wikidata?
Aubrey
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 21:02:
Which OL tool are you talking about? Do you have a link?
Sorry, should have included that ;-)
On any edition page, e.g.: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7183411M/The_adventures_of_Tom_Sawyer
down at the bottom right there are links to various citation formats. Click on the Wikipedia Citation and you get:
Thanks, I had forgotten they have this. I don't know how portable that template format is across our Wikimedia projects, but it may make sense to work on it. The HTML calling the script is at https://github.com/ internetarchive/openlibrary/blob/c3f3b61999f020cecdfceeb22b8127 57e5e12e7f/openlibrary/templates/books/edition-show.html Does it make sense to import MARC into OL to get template format out of it, or would that be absurd? That's more or less what we do with Google Books > IA > Commons.
Nemo
On 10/6/14, 6:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Does it make sense to import MARC into OL to get template format out of it, or would that be absurd? That's more or less what we do with Google Books > IA > Commons.
Unfortunattely, it isn't possible to import MARC into OL... but as I said, I'm willing to do the MARC-to-cite analysis if someone can write the program. The mappings shouldn't be difficult, especially for printed books.
kc
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25:
Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates?
Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302
Nemo
Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25:
Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates?
Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302
Nemo
Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data
(derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
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I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them?
kc
On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote:
Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made. Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>> Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point. _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries>
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There is a Grant Proposal from a couple of weeks ago that is relevant to this discussion. "Wikidata items for sources, such as a journal article, contain metadata that could be used to generate a citation from that item to be used on a wiki."
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Tools_for_using_wikidata_item...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them?
kc
On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote:
Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made. Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>
Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. Itmakes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
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Karen, the various Wikidata items for books (works and editions) are here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources#Books
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Paula Kate Marmor pkm@pobox.com wrote:
There is a Grant Proposal from a couple of weeks ago that is relevant to this discussion. "Wikidata items for sources, such as a journal article, contain metadata that could be used to generate a citation from that item to be used on a wiki."
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Tools_for_using_wikidata_item...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them?
kc
On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote:
Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would coverbooks, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>
Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. Itmakes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
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Karen and Paula, the best would be if you could continue filling up the excel table, I created two extra columns, one for MARC and the other for {{cite book}}: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUF...
There you already have some equivalences with Wikidata properties.
Thanks! Micru
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them?
kc
On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote:
Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made. Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>
Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. Itmakes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point.
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OK, I'll work on this as I get time (I'm at a conference, so it won't be until next week). I'm going to take the "minimalist" approach, since MARC is "maximalist". If I find terms that I think are missing from the document there, I will add them.
It looks like this is only referring to books, so that's all that I will look at.
There will be conflicts with the datatypes, and no real way to resolve those. MARC "authors" are strings, not "items". In fact, everything in MARC is a string.
Another question: Do we assume that every field is repeatable?
Paula: I think that libraries are the only ones that consider corporations and conferences to be "authors" so I tend to put those in "contributor" fields.
kc
On 10/10/14, 4:41 AM, David Cuenca wrote:
Karen and Paula, the best would be if you could continue filling up the excel table, I created two extra columns, one for MARC and the other for {{cite book}}: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUF...
There you already have some equivalences with Wikidata properties.
Thanks! Micru
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them? kc On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote: Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>>> wrote: Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made. Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/____index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%____3AWikiProject_Books&diff=____162771850&oldid=162771302 <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302> <https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>>> Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point. ___________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Libraries@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/____mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries>> _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries> -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 <tel:%2B1-510-984-3600> _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries>-- Etiamsi omnes, ego non
Working on the cite book column now, thanks.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
OK, I'll work on this as I get time (I'm at a conference, so it won't be until next week). I'm going to take the "minimalist" approach, since MARC is "maximalist". If I find terms that I think are missing from the document there, I will add them.
It looks like this is only referring to books, so that's all that I will look at.
There will be conflicts with the datatypes, and no real way to resolve those. MARC "authors" are strings, not "items". In fact, everything in MARC is a string.
Another question: Do we assume that every field is repeatable?
Paula: I think that libraries are the only ones that consider corporations and conferences to be "authors" so I tend to put those in "contributor" fields.
kc
On 10/10/14, 4:41 AM, David Cuenca wrote:
Karen and Paula, the best would be if you could continue filling up the excel table, I created two extra columns, one for MARC and the other for {{cite book}}: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUFkWndQWUZyemc#gid=0
There you already have some equivalences with Wikidata properties.
Thanks! Micru
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them? kc On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote: Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>>> wrote: Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe art works. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made. Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC records into Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great. <https://www.wikidata.org/w/____index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%____3AWikiProject_Books&diff=____162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% __3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302
<https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>>
Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point. ___________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Libraries@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/____mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries>> _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries
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Thos data types (items, strings) are "Wikidata data types". Don't worry about those.
Andrea
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Paula Kate Marmor pkm@pobox.com wrote:
Working on the cite book column now, thanks.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
OK, I'll work on this as I get time (I'm at a conference, so it won't be until next week). I'm going to take the "minimalist" approach, since MARC is "maximalist". If I find terms that I think are missing from the document there, I will add them.
It looks like this is only referring to books, so that's all that I will look at.
There will be conflicts with the datatypes, and no real way to resolve those. MARC "authors" are strings, not "items". In fact, everything in MARC is a string.
Another question: Do we assume that every field is repeatable?
Paula: I think that libraries are the only ones that consider corporations and conferences to be "authors" so I tend to put those in "contributor" fields.
kc
On 10/10/14, 4:41 AM, David Cuenca wrote:
Karen and Paula, the best would be if you could continue filling up the excel table, I created two extra columns, one for MARC and the other for {{cite book}}: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key= 0AlPNcNlN2oqvdFQyR2F5YmhrMWpXaUFkWndQWUZyemc#gid=0
There you already have some equivalences with Wikidata properties.
Thanks! Micru
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
I'm not as familiar with Wikidata as WP - are the citation "templates" the same? If so, I'll do some mapping. Where would it be best to put them? kc On 10/9/14, 3:47 PM, Paula Kate Marmor wrote: Please let me know how I can help with this mapping effort. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com> <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com <mailto:nemowiki@gmail.com>>> wrote: Karen Coyle, 05/10/2014 20:25: Aubrey - there are a LOT of mappings there. Am I correct that none of them are mappings to the {{cite}} templates? Having been steeped (if not petrified) in MARC21 for decades, I could attempt a mapping to the {{cite}} templates. It would cover books, music, movies, possibly photographs, and maybe artworks. Articles are not usually coded in MARC but a mapping could be made.
Vlsergey offered to make a gadget to import MARC recordsinto Wikidata entries! :D Please get in touch. Thanks both in advance, it will be great.
<https://www.wikidata.org/w/____index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%____3AWikiProject_Books&diff=____162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% __3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302
<https://www.wikidata.org/w/__index.php?title=Wikidata_talk%__3AWikiProject_Books&diff=__162771850&oldid=162771302 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata_talk% 3AWikiProject_Books&diff=162771850&oldid=162771302>>
Nemo Note that there is a mapping in OpenLibrary from their books data (derived from MARC but not in MARC), and with a single click you get the filled in book citation template for the book. I use this a lot. Some of us have been wishing that OCLC WorldCat would do the same. It makes sense to have the mapping happen at the discovery point. ___________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Libraries@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/____mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries>> _________________________________________________ Libraries mailing list Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Libraries@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/libraries https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries
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Got it, thanks. I couldn't figure out how to enter the Wikidata equivalents for the author-link and editor-link properties from the cite template, so I'll leave that for a Wikidata expert.
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
Thos data types (items, strings) are "Wikidata data types". Don't worry about those.
Andrea
I see someone came up with a stub "translator" from MARC to Zotero https://github.com/zotero/translators/issues/762#issuecomment-54757911 Zotero is what https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Citoid uses, it might be useful at some point. Karen, are you comfortable editing JavaScript? No git knowledge is required, GitHub has "edit" buttons.
Nemo