Hello. The following ideas about URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements (e.g. paraphrase sets or clusters) are relevant to a recent Wikifact project proposalhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact, could be relevant to a recent Wikipragmatica project proposalhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipragmatica, and, hopefully, are relevant and interesting to Wikidata and Abstract Wikipedia.
Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL. Each cluster of paraphrases could have a URL.
Statements, claims, or facts could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/statements/33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 .
Clusters of paraphrases could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/clusters/D006871E-24A6-428F-BD1F-D20C3C7B7685 .
The URL for an individual statement, claim, or fact could, while optionally providing data, redirect to a URL for the paraphrase cluster which contains it. This could convenience processes of semi-automated, collaborative paraphrasing. That is, in the event of an erroneous paraphrasing, editors or software tools could edit a redirect page to re-cluster the individual statement, claim, or fact to an updated cluster of paraphrases. At the URL for a paraphrase cluster could be a human-editable sequence of explained annotations about a statement, claim, or fact.
The emergent feature of URL-addressability could convenience Web-based communication about statements, claims, and facts. End-users would be able to share hyperlinks to fact-checking articles about individual statements, claims, or facts. This could facilitate a number of other, related technologies.
Also interestingly, statement patterns could be expressed and these patterns could be utilized via URL query strings. Nouns or noun phrases could be provided as arguments. That is, arguments for thematic relations could be provided utilizing Wikidata lexemes and entities.
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2?agent... could represent a set of statements expressing that “Douglas Adams ate an apple.”
Best regards, Adam Sobieski
Interesting idea! I wonder if a tool could then compose facts that are related to each other into articles automatically? You could have a database of facts where their URLs are their IDs, and then tags or metadata of those facts that could let you cluster them together automatically. For example several facts could be tagged with #BattleOfYorktown, such as the date, opposing sides, notable events, etc.. and a tool like gpt-3 could be used to compose articles from those facts.
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 18:04, Adam Sobieski adamsobieski@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello. The following ideas about URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements (e.g. paraphrase sets or clusters) are relevant to a recent Wikifact project proposal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact, could be relevant to a recent Wikipragmatica project proposal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipragmatica, and, hopefully, are relevant and interesting to Wikidata and Abstract Wikipedia.
Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL. Each cluster of paraphrases could have a URL.
Statements, claims, or facts could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/statements/33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 .
Clusters of paraphrases could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/clusters/D006871E-24A6-428F-BD1F-D20C3C7B7685 .
The URL for an individual statement, claim, or fact could, while optionally providing data, redirect to a URL for the paraphrase cluster which contains it. This could convenience processes of semi-automated, collaborative paraphrasing. That is, in the event of an erroneous paraphrasing, editors or software tools could edit a redirect page to re-cluster the individual statement, claim, or fact to an updated cluster of paraphrases. At the URL for a paraphrase cluster could be a human-editable sequence of explained annotations about a statement, claim, or fact.
The emergent feature of URL-addressability could convenience Web-based communication about statements, claims, and facts. End-users would be able to share hyperlinks to fact-checking articles about individual statements, claims, or facts. This could facilitate a number of other, related technologies.
Also interestingly, statement patterns could be expressed and these patterns could be utilized via URL query strings. Nouns or noun phrases could be provided as arguments. That is, arguments for thematic relations could be provided utilizing Wikidata lexemes and entities.
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2?agent... could represent a set of statements expressing that “Douglas Adams ate an apple.”
Best regards,
Adam Sobieski _______________________________________________ Abstract-Wikipedia mailing list Abstract-Wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
I like this idea. In general clear rephrasings are simply their own claims; a good rephrasing may be pointed to as a "common claim" implied by many other statements; a statement may imply a number of rephrasings; the link between a primary-source statement and a common rephrasing is itself a claim; most of these links will be uncontroversial but for some that link itself is the locus of debate. [see especially: discourse analysis in theology]
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 1:04 PM Adam Sobieski adamsobieski@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello. The following ideas about URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements (e.g. paraphrase sets or clusters) are relevant to a recent Wikifact project proposal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact, could be relevant to a recent Wikipragmatica project proposal https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipragmatica, and, hopefully, are relevant and interesting to Wikidata and Abstract Wikipedia.
Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL. Each cluster of paraphrases could have a URL.
Statements, claims, or facts could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/statements/33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 .
Clusters of paraphrases could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/clusters/D006871E-24A6-428F-BD1F-D20C3C7B7685 .
The URL for an individual statement, claim, or fact could, while optionally providing data, redirect to a URL for the paraphrase cluster which contains it. This could convenience processes of semi-automated, collaborative paraphrasing. That is, in the event of an erroneous paraphrasing, editors or software tools could edit a redirect page to re-cluster the individual statement, claim, or fact to an updated cluster of paraphrases. At the URL for a paraphrase cluster could be a human-editable sequence of explained annotations about a statement, claim, or fact.
The emergent feature of URL-addressability could convenience Web-based communication about statements, claims, and facts. End-users would be able to share hyperlinks to fact-checking articles about individual statements, claims, or facts. This could facilitate a number of other, related technologies.
Also interestingly, statement patterns could be expressed and these patterns could be utilized via URL query strings. Nouns or noun phrases could be provided as arguments. That is, arguments for thematic relations could be provided utilizing Wikidata lexemes and entities.
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2?agent... could represent a set of statements expressing that “Douglas Adams ate an apple.”
Best regards,
Adam Sobieski _______________________________________________ Abstract-Wikipedia mailing list Abstract-Wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
Thank you. I think that viewing the links or interpretations as claims is a good idea. That gets at what the content provided could be concurrent to a redirect. As claims, one could annotate these as well.
For scenarios where the link or interpretation itself is a locus of debate, perhaps one could provide multiple options and utilize HTTP response code 300.
From: Samuel Kleinmailto:meta.sj@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:41 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements
I like this idea. In general clear rephrasings are simply their own claims; a good rephrasing may be pointed to as a "common claim" implied by many other statements; a statement may imply a number of rephrasings; the link between a primary-source statement and a common rephrasing is itself a claim; most of these links will be uncontroversial but for some that link itself is the locus of debate. [see especially: discourse analysis in theology]
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 1:04 PM Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.commailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello. The following ideas about URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements (e.g. paraphrase sets or clusters) are relevant to a recent Wikifact project proposalhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact, could be relevant to a recent Wikipragmatica project proposalhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipragmatica, and, hopefully, are relevant and interesting to Wikidata and Abstract Wikipedia.
Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL. Each cluster of paraphrases could have a URL.
Statements, claims, or facts could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/statements/33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 .
Clusters of paraphrases could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/clusters/D006871E-24A6-428F-BD1F-D20C3C7B7685 .
The URL for an individual statement, claim, or fact could, while optionally providing data, redirect to a URL for the paraphrase cluster which contains it. This could convenience processes of semi-automated, collaborative paraphrasing. That is, in the event of an erroneous paraphrasing, editors or software tools could edit a redirect page to re-cluster the individual statement, claim, or fact to an updated cluster of paraphrases. At the URL for a paraphrase cluster could be a human-editable sequence of explained annotations about a statement, claim, or fact.
The emergent feature of URL-addressability could convenience Web-based communication about statements, claims, and facts. End-users would be able to share hyperlinks to fact-checking articles about individual statements, claims, or facts. This could facilitate a number of other, related technologies.
Also interestingly, statement patterns could be expressed and these patterns could be utilized via URL query strings. Nouns or noun phrases could be provided as arguments. That is, arguments for thematic relations could be provided utilizing Wikidata lexemes and entities.
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2?agent... could represent a set of statements expressing that “Douglas Adams ate an apple.”
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*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
Facts can be seen as a special case of assertions, a special case of quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do not have a unique identifier?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
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Hello, if you consider statements as each triple in Wikidata, they do already have a unique identifier. For example: http://www.wikidata.org/entity/statement/Q27745008-395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-e... is the id for the triple wd:Q27745008 wdt:P31 wd:Q146 What they don't have is a unique QNode. Best, Daniel
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 21:33, Grounder UK (grounderuk@gmail.com) escribió:
Facts can be seen as a special case of assertions, a special case of quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do not have a unique identifier?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
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Thanks, Daniel.
When I follow your link I get to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27745008#Q27745008$395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-ee..., which suggests that it’s the $395... portion that identifies the statement. I’ve found this identifier only in the JSON representation of the page; is it more easily accessible?
Returning to Adam’s original point, “Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL“, I wonder how this existing identifier is not providing this.
As you say, the Wikidata statement, claim or fact does not have its own QNode. Except it might, if we treated it as a concept in its own right. This is exactly what I would expect Abstract Wikipedia to do (that is, the claim is the basic unit of language-neutral content in AW, given that Wikidata already has language-neutral nouns). Abstract Wikipedia would (should) also have “clusters” of claims that can range over multiple subjects (QNodes) or express controversy about a claim, and so forth.
That’s not meant to suggest that Wikifact is already included in Abstract Wikipedia, by the way! One key difference, paradoxically, is that Wikifact would presumably represent false and contentious claims as subjects in their own right, whereas AW would (presumably, generally) cluster such claims under a broader topic.
Best regards, Al.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 22:52, Daniel Garijo dgarijov@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, if you consider statements as each triple in Wikidata, they do already have a unique identifier. For example:
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/statement/Q27745008-395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-e... is the id for the triple wd:Q27745008 wdt:P31 wd:Q146 What they don't have is a unique QNode. Best, Daniel
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 21:33, Grounder UK (grounderuk@gmail.com) escribió:
Facts can be seen as a special case of assertions, a special case of quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do not have a unique identifier?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
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Hi Al, I got it through a SPARQL query: in https://query.wikidata.org/
query: select ?id where{ wd:Q27745008 p:P31 ?id . ?id ps:P31 wd:Q146 . }
In general the attached diagram is an excellent cheat sheet to navigate all the statements and qualifiers. Best, Daniel
El jue, 18 feb 2021 a las 12:11, Grounder UK (grounderuk@gmail.com) escribió:
Thanks, Daniel.
When I follow your link I get to
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27745008#Q27745008$395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-ee..., which suggests that it’s the $395... portion that identifies the statement. I’ve found this identifier only in the JSON representation of the page; is it more easily accessible?
Returning to Adam’s original point, “Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL“, I wonder how this existing identifier is not providing this.
As you say, the Wikidata statement, claim or fact does not have its own QNode. Except it might, if we treated it as a concept in its own right. This is exactly what I would expect Abstract Wikipedia to do (that is, the claim is the basic unit of language-neutral content in AW, given that Wikidata already has language-neutral nouns). Abstract Wikipedia would (should) also have “clusters” of claims that can range over multiple subjects (QNodes) or express controversy about a claim, and so forth.
That’s not meant to suggest that Wikifact is already included in Abstract Wikipedia, by the way! One key difference, paradoxically, is that Wikifact would presumably represent false and contentious claims as subjects in their own right, whereas AW would (presumably, generally) cluster such claims under a broader topic.
Best regards, Al.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 22:52, Daniel Garijo dgarijov@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, if you consider statements as each triple in Wikidata, they do already have a unique identifier. For example:
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/statement/Q27745008-395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-e... is the id for the triple wd:Q27745008 wdt:P31 wd:Q146 What they don't have is a unique QNode. Best, Daniel
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 21:33, Grounder UK (grounderuk@gmail.com) escribió:
Facts can be seen as a special case of assertions, a special case of quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do not have a unique identifier?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
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Thad,
Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotationhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis.
With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding):
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/?author=Q42"ation=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikifact.org%2Fpatterns%2F293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2%3Fagent%3DQ42%26patient%3DQ89
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.”
and/or could resemble:
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
or
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.”
Best regards, Adam
From: Thad Guidrymailto:thadguidry@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements
SJ - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's quotationhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
Adam - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
Please use short identifiers in your examples. Long hashes make this harder to parse and discuss.
It seems unwieldy to have an extensive pattern (like "quotation=STRING") in the URL itself.
On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 1:10 AM Adam Sobieski adamsobieski@hotmail.com wrote:
Thad,
Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotation https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis.
With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding):
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho... https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/?author=Q42"ation=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikifact.org%2Fpatterns%2F293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2%3Fagent%3DQ42%26patient%3DQ89
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.”
and/or could resemble:
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
or
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.”
Best regards,
Adam
*From: *Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com *Sent: *Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM *To: *General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda) abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject: *Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc.
And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation* https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad
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I updated the Wikifact project proposal with some initial content on these topics and will update it more over the weekend.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact#Quotations_and_attestations
P.S.: For language enthusiasts, I’m also recently thinking about a related topic of evidentiality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidentiality .
From: Adam Sobieskimailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:10 AM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements
Thad,
Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotationhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis.
With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding):
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/?author=Q42"ation=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikifact.org%2Fpatterns%2F293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2%3Fagent%3DQ42%26patient%3DQ89
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.”
and/or could resemble:
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
or
https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?autho...
for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.”
Best regards, Adam
From: Thad Guidrymailto:thadguidry@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements
SJ - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's quotationhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683 property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.
Adam - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
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