Interesting idea! I wonder if a tool could then compose facts that are related to each other into articles automatically? You could have a database of facts where their URLs are their IDs, and then tags or metadata of those facts that could let you cluster them together automatically. For example several facts could be tagged with #BattleOfYorktown, such as the date, opposing sides, notable events, etc.. and a tool like gpt-3 could be used to compose articles from those facts. --- Edd Haigh On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 18:04, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Thank you. I think that viewing the links or interpretations as claims is a good idea. That gets at what the content provided could be concurrent to a redirect. As claims, one could annotate these as well. For scenarios where the link or interpretation itself is a locus of debate, perhaps one could provide multiple options and utilize HTTP response code 300. From: Samuel Klein<mailto:meta.sj@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 2:41 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)<mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements I like this idea. In general clear rephrasings are simply their own claims; a good rephrasing may be pointed to as a "common claim" implied by many other statements; a statement may imply a number of rephrasings; the link between a primary-source statement and a common rephrasing is itself a claim; most of these links will be uncontroversial but for some that link itself is the locus of debate. [see especially: discourse analysis in theology] On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 1:04 PM Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hello. The following ideas about URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements (e.g. paraphrase sets or clusters) are relevant to a recent Wikifact project proposal<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact>ct>, could be relevant to a recent Wikipragmatica project proposal<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipragmatica>ca>, and, hopefully, are relevant and interesting to Wikidata and Abstract Wikipedia. Each statement, claim, or fact could have a URL. Each cluster of paraphrases could have a URL. Statements, claims, or facts could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/statements/33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 . Clusters of paraphrases could have URL’s, for instance https://www.wikifact.org/clusters/D006871E-24A6-428F-BD1F-D20C3C7B7685 . The URL for an individual statement, claim, or fact could, while optionally providing data, redirect to a URL for the paraphrase cluster which contains it. This could convenience processes of semi-automated, collaborative paraphrasing. That is, in the event of an erroneous paraphrasing, editors or software tools could edit a redirect page to re-cluster the individual statement, claim, or fact to an updated cluster of paraphrases. At the URL for a paraphrase cluster could be a human-editable sequence of explained annotations about a statement, claim, or fact. The emergent feature of URL-addressability could convenience Web-based communication about statements, claims, and facts. End-users would be able to share hyperlinks to fact-checking articles about individual statements, claims, or facts. This could facilitate a number of other, related technologies. Also interestingly, statement patterns could be expressed and these patterns could be utilized via URL query strings. Nouns or noun phrases could be provided as arguments. That is, arguments for thematic relations could be provided utilizing Wikidata lexemes and entities. https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2?agen… could represent a set of statements expressing that “Douglas Adams ate an apple.” Best regards, Adam Sobieski _______________________________________________ Abstract-Wikipedia mailing list Abstract-Wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:Abstract-Wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

Facts can be seen as a special case of assertions, a special case of quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do not have a unique identifier? On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry &lt;thadguidry(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Thad, Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotation<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683>83>, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis. With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding): https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.” and/or could resemble: https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… or https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.” Best regards, Adam From: Thad Guidry<mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)<mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements SJ - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there. Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's quotation<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683> property might also somehow play a part in your proposal. Adam - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis. Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/

Please use short identifiers in your examples. Long hashes make this harder to parse and discuss. It seems unwieldy to have an extensive pattern (like "quotation=STRING") in the URL itself. On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 1:10 AM Adam Sobieski &lt;adamsobieski(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

I updated the Wikifact project proposal with some initial content on these topics and will update it more over the weekend. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikifact#Quotations_and_attestations P.S.: For language enthusiasts, I’m also recently thinking about a related topic of evidentiality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidentiality . From: Adam Sobieski<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 1:10 AM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)<mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements Thad, Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotation<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683>83>, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis. With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding): https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.” and/or could resemble: https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… or https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?auth… for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.” Best regards, Adam From: Thad Guidry<mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)<mailto:abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements SJ - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there. Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc. And where it seems Wikidata's quotation<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683> property might also somehow play a part in your proposal. Adam - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis. Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/ https://calendly.com/thadguidry/