query:
select ?id where{
wd:Q27745008 p:P31 ?id .
?id ps:P31 wd:Q146 .
}
In general the attached diagram is an excellent cheat sheet to navigate all
the statements and qualifiers.
Best,
Daniel
El jue, 18 feb 2021 a las 12:11, Grounder UK (<grounderuk(a)gmail.com>)
escribió:
Thanks, Daniel.
When I follow your link I get to
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27745008#Q27745008$395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-e…,
which suggests that it’s the $395... portion that identifies the statement.
I’ve found this identifier only in the JSON representation of the page; is
it more easily accessible?
Returning to Adam’s original point, “Each statement, claim, or fact could
have a URL“, I wonder how this existing identifier is not providing this.
As you say, the Wikidata statement, claim or fact does not have its own
QNode. Except it might, if we treated it as a concept in its own right.
This is exactly what I would expect Abstract Wikipedia to do (that is, the
claim is the basic unit of language-neutral content in AW, given that
Wikidata already has language-neutral nouns). Abstract Wikipedia would
(should) also have “clusters” of claims that can range over multiple
subjects (QNodes) or express controversy about a claim, and so forth.
That’s not meant to suggest that Wikifact is already included in Abstract
Wikipedia, by the way! One key difference, paradoxically, is that Wikifact
would presumably represent false and contentious claims as subjects in
their own right, whereas AW would (presumably, generally) cluster such
claims under a broader topic.
Best regards,
Al.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 22:52, Daniel Garijo <dgarijov(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
if you consider statements as each triple in Wikidata, they do already
have a unique identifier. For example:
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/statement/Q27745008-395bc538-41dd-d2a4-62ad-…
is the id for the triple wd:Q27745008 wdt:P31 wd:Q146
What they don't have is a unique QNode.
Best,
Daniel
El mié, 17 feb 2021 a las 21:33, Grounder UK (<grounderuk(a)gmail.com>)
escribió:
Facts can be seen as a special case of
assertions, a special case of
quotations. In Wikipedia, we should only be dealing with assertions (we
must have a source) and in Wikidata, each statement is an abstract
paraphrase of an assertion. Is there a reason why Wikidata statements do
not have a unique identifier?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 at 20:21, Thad Guidry <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
*SJ* - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the
discussion we had
within
Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often.
https://schema.org/Quotation where we didn't put much work into
helping connect more dots, but still it's there.
Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute
resolution, etc.
And where it seems Wikidata's *quotation*
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1683> property might also
somehow play a part in your proposal.
*Adam* - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some
clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.
Thad
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
https://calendly.com/thadguidry/
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