Please use short identifiers in your examples.  Long hashes make this harder to parse and discuss.

It seems unwieldy to have an extensive pattern (like "quotation=STRING") in the URL itself.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 1:10 AM Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thad,

 

Thank you for bringing up quotations. I’m thinking about how best to update the Wikifact project proposal with some new content and discussion about quotations, including hyperlinks to https://schema.org/Quotation and Wikidata’s quotation, and including indication of scenarios or examples where quotations are part of the fact basis.

 

With regard to “recursive constructability” or “the reification of statements so that they can be used as arguments”, resembling said(Douglas_Adams, ate(Douglas_Adams, apple)), this could resemble, for a URL-based syntax, via use of the URL encoding (or percent-encoding):

 

https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?author=Q42&quotation=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikifact.org%2Fpatterns%2F293FCD5D-27A7-498A-81C3-C78EF0F9D9A2%3Fagent%3DQ42%26patient%3DQ89

 

for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said that he ate an apple.”

 

and/or could resemble:

 

https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?author=Q42&quotation=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikifact.org%2Fstatements%2F33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2 

 

or

 

https://www.wikifact.org/patterns/B25625EC-8899-4148-9E33-B26FDBE4EC23?author=Q42&quotation=33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2

 

for a set of statements resembling: “Douglas Adams said {33DCF305-3A4D-4024-9AD7-CCB1A29054E2}.”

 

 

Best regards,

Adam

 

From: Thad Guidry
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 3:21 PM
To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)
Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] URL-addressable statements and clusters of statements

 

SJ - Rephrasing... reminds me of some of the discussion we had within Schema.org where I pushed for Quotation often. https://schema.org/Quotation  where we didn't put much work into helping connect more dots, but still it's there.

 

Quotations often tie into facts, "he said/she said", dispute resolution, etc.

And where it seems Wikidata's quotation property might also somehow play a part in your proposal.

 

Adam - I think it would be nice to have a concrete example of some clusters where a quotation is part of the fact basis.


 

 

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