The explosion of comments from outright reliable sources (Raph Koster and Richard Bartle, even when blogging, are reliable secondary sources) makes this a clear-cut notable article at present. I may recreate, using Bartle and Koster exclusively as two sources.
But yes - the point stands. Contentious AfDs - including ones that got wide attention off of Wikipedia - should be closed by someone with knowledge about the subject, or at least a consult. Go talk to an editor in the area. Hell, go to WikiProject Video Games, ask for a consult.
If you don't know the topic and it's a controversial AfD, don't close it.
-Phil
On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
"Wikipedia editors should really have enough knowledge about their subject matter to make choices based on good judgement rather than strict adherence to flawed guidelines. Any guideline, law or contract doesn’t absolve one from using one’s brain — these things are just frameworks for handling worst-case scenarios better.
http://www.unwesen.de/articles/wikipedia_on_mud_history
This is what is frustrating to me. Although I am not recognized expert on MUDs, I know enough that the decision made is obviously wrong, while those making the decision seem entirely innocent of the subject.
Fred
On Jan 10, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
Nothing exceptional about this, of course: http://www.massively.com/2009/01/06/mud-history-dissolving-into-the-waters-o...
Sigh.
Gah. What's bothersome here is that it has a Computer Gaming Magazine reference and a quote from Bartle, one of the iconic figures in MUD design. Those are two significant references. But the CGM reference was actually *ignored* in the deletion close because it was unverified.
Yes. Now we're treating print referencing with suspicion and hostility. Fucking brilliant.
-Phil
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