I have replied to three people below.
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Jon scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
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Some of the possible options you have...
- Disengaging - If its not all that important, and you can leave it be,
disengage and let the other party have it.
Compromise - Offer a compromise solution, meet in the middle.
Seek outside opinions - Request comments from outside neutral parties.
If this is an on wiki issue, we have article RFC and 3O. (Request for comments, third opinion)
Mediation
I know you said DR is broken, but it's really not. DR was not
designed to let everyone get his or her own way. Read the page in its entirety, try some of the suggestions there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution
Best, Jon
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Disengaging isn't always possible particularly when you are the one being constantly engaged. I may not necessarily be the side seeking a change.
Compromise may not be possible in above conditions. In addition, system on wikipedia discourages compromises immensely. If you compromise once in a month or two the other side demands more and more compromises.
RFC is a dead process. No one pays attention to 3Os. When I seek the opinion of third parties I am name called as a forum shopper and etc.
I am officially banned from mediation indefinitely. I do not want to get involved with processes I am banned from. I do not believe mediation is a possibility in the above scenario.
I tried using DR for the past three years. DR is useless bureaucracy nothing more. It is badly broken from the very bottom (RFC) to top (RFAR).
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Fred Bauder fredbaud@fairpoint.net wrote:
The dispute resolution process is where you go.
Fred
Umm. I said DR is not working.
- White Cat
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Eugene van der Pijll eugene@vanderpijll.nl wrote:
White Cat schreef:
When you have an issue you cannot solve who do you go to? DR process
isn't
helping and my problem is with the DR as I consider it to be broken.
In that case, WT:DR is probably the best place to start. Other places to try are WP:V, WP:AN, WP:RFC, this mailing list, IRC, wikback.com.
I want to be able to get a problem I see addressed and fixed. I want to
deal
with this without being constantly accused of random things.
If you feel that people are personally attacking you, the best way to fix the problem may be to find people who agree with you (for example, by posting at one of the places mentioned above), and to let them argue your case.
Eugene
WT pages <- I tried "WT" pages before. As a result I was declared a troll.
WP:V <- I don't see how that fits in. Maybe it's a typo?
WP:AN <- Isn't very reliable in resolving issues especially complex ones. No one pays attention to long discussions there.
WP:RFC < - I have not seen RFC resolve anything before. I used it one or twice, that was when I decided this process was 100% useless.
This or some other mailing list <- I have been declared a forum shopper for daring to use this.
IRC <- I have been regularly declined on IRC. Very very rarely do people decide to help me on IRC on semi-complex issues.
wikback.com <- I have never heard of this before. I may try it though I have serious doubts.
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Finding people to "agree" with is rather hard. Most people do not want to get involved in disputes that do not concern them. In addition some people seem to go out of their way to disagree with me. A good number of people will think of conspiracies and such as they seem to have an endless supply of bad faith. It is rather depressing at times. People do not even bother to pretend they care any more.
People generally attack me, call me names, accuse me of things. I have not found many people who are willing to listen to me and offer advice or help out in other ways. I had one such person NYB who helped me out in disputes by offering sound advice from time to time. Sadly I lost contact with him after he got into arbcom as he got rather busy. Now he is completely gone. He was my buffer at hard times and I do not have a "replacement". Irreplaceable people like NYB should be cherished by our community.
- White Cat