On Jan 11, 2008 9:15 AM, doc doc.wikipedia@ntlworld.com wrote:
WikipediaEditor Durin wrote:
You don't need a process. You don't need a category. You don't need an archive bot. You don't need to tag anything with {{done}}. You don't need approval. You don't need admins to grant this. Give rollback to everyone, and block the repeat abusers. No need for additional process.
-Durin
Absolutely.
However, it has always been impossible to get agreement on non-admin rollback. Hence the status quo of having none. A clever little coup changed the status quo to this b'cratic idiocy. The chances of getting a consensus to change from this new status-quo are nil. So RfA jnr. - with every admin a crat - here we come.
But, you know what? I'm not fighting this anymore. The cabal that so well organised this coup win (and maybe they deserve to for their tenacity), and, for the sake of peace and blood pressure, the rest of us must now do what they've instructed us to do: we must shut the hell up and get over it.
I will even start to use the standardised {{done}} on the bot-archived process page as per their instructions.
My last post on this subject (I promise)
Doc
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If you want to change something, the answer pretty obvious - just do it, and be civil, and establish precedent. We've seen it happen with rollback - if admins start handing it out without the process, there'll be no process. Don't try to set up prescriptive rules - for whatever stupid reason, Wikipedia operates on the premise you can do whatever you like, and if nobody stops you, that's the rule.
So maintain that cat what says we'll give you rollback if you ask nicely, and let those who enjoy bureaucracy more than encyclopaedia writing make a little bureaucracy, and just hand out rollback to anyone who asks. And both will be established mechanisms and undetrenchable. In the meantime, anyone who wants that long bureaucracy, ask at WP:RFR or whatever. Anyone who wants it to be no big deal, ask me or anyone else in Cat:Admins what will give you rollback. Don't try to force the dust to settle, that never works.
Cheers WilyD