On 23/02/2008, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/02/2008, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
"The truth? You can't handle the truth!"
[[WP:UNDUE]]
Feel free to check the references from the [[Muhammad]] article itself, I did and was unable to find any images at all (except for the references from the images, but I firmly believe that those were found by begging the question and searching *for* images).
The problem is the way you are defining a minority opinion.
But that's the thing. I'M not defining a minority opinion.
By searching google I get IT to give me what google thinks are representative. By looking at the existing references in the article I get the ARTICLE to say what the wikipedia's editors think are representative.
However, I cut it, I get the same answer; these kinds of images are not very notable at all, in fact, I was unable to find exactly how not notable, because no usable sources for the Muhammad topic I ever found had these kinds of images.
Islam is a minority thus it's POV that you should not have or show images of historic people is a minority so lets see what other POVs there are.
Sure, it's POV. But as you well know, NPOV is when you have all POVs in the article, in representative amounts.
The point is, that the representative amount of these images is one or less. I was unable to find the images via any straightforward means, short of actually explicitly searching for them.
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You are aware that appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy yes?
The term 'popularity' usually refers to popularity among *people*; but I'm referring to a form of popularity among *references*; otherwise known as 'NPOV'.
Are you really referring to NPOV as a logical fallacy?
The role WP:UNDUE plays here is important.
From a general historical perspective, depictions of Muhammad have been
quite rare (User:Grenavitar/mimages). There are only few periods in which they were actually of any significance, such as under the Ilkhanids (later Safawids) or some periods of Ottoman rule. Undue focus upon a minority tradition in the manner the article currently does isn't particularly balanced. There's been a tendancy to compare this article with others like [[Buddha]], [[Jesus]], [[Krishna]] etc. who all have had substantial and diverse traditions of depiction throughout most of history. Such comparison is not sensible, however, for that very reason.