On 11/30/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG <guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:00:14 -0500, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Guy, I'm afraid you're missing the point.
This was a *community *issue
that
drew the attention and interest of editors from
all kinds of areas. It
was
about big picture things, not about individual
editors.
And you think that harassment victims privately discussing their
problems causes more of a crisis of confidence than, say, wilful
misrepresentation of the nature of that discussion?
As the arbitrators said, there was a very great deal of bad faith
and poor decorum in that debate. Most of the participants of the
split-out ANI thread should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but
are not.
So maybe there is a crisis of confidence: maybe some people
currently lack the confidence that blatant trolling, gross personal
attacks, witch hunts against those who are prepared to block the
sockpuppets of banned users, will ever be dealt with.
Guy (JzG)
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
Ah Guy...nowhere have I said that victims of harassment should be ostracized
and prevented from discussing their situation in any forum they wish. If
they find value in that listserve, more power to them. But you are now
implying that !! was being perceived on that list as the sockpuppet of a
banned user, and I have a bit of trouble with that. I am assuming good faith
on the part of the majority of participants on that list, in that I do
believe them when they say they either didn't read the memo or only gave it
a cursory once-over. As SlimVirgin has said on-wiki, most of the members
have more experience detecting sockpuppets than Durova does, so even a
cursory glance would have told them there was nothing much in the message.
And as it turns out, !! wasn't even a sockpuppet, he was just an experienced
user who essentially changed his name and didn't tell everyone on Wikipedia
about it. Perhaps he was trying to avoid harassment, who knows?
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