On 11/30/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:00:14 -0500, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Guy, I'm afraid you're missing the point. This was a *community *issue
that
drew the attention and interest of editors from all kinds of areas. It
was
about big picture things, not about individual editors.
And you think that harassment victims privately discussing their problems causes more of a crisis of confidence than, say, wilful misrepresentation of the nature of that discussion?
As the arbitrators said, there was a very great deal of bad faith and poor decorum in that debate. Most of the participants of the split-out ANI thread should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but are not.
So maybe there is a crisis of confidence: maybe some people currently lack the confidence that blatant trolling, gross personal attacks, witch hunts against those who are prepared to block the sockpuppets of banned users, will ever be dealt with.
Guy (JzG)
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
Ah Guy...nowhere have I said that victims of harassment should be ostracized and prevented from discussing their situation in any forum they wish. If they find value in that listserve, more power to them. But you are now implying that !! was being perceived on that list as the sockpuppet of a banned user, and I have a bit of trouble with that. I am assuming good faith on the part of the majority of participants on that list, in that I do believe them when they say they either didn't read the memo or only gave it a cursory once-over. As SlimVirgin has said on-wiki, most of the members have more experience detecting sockpuppets than Durova does, so even a cursory glance would have told them there was nothing much in the message. And as it turns out, !! wasn't even a sockpuppet, he was just an experienced user who essentially changed his name and didn't tell everyone on Wikipedia about it. Perhaps he was trying to avoid harassment, who knows?
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