On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:57:28 +0530, "Relata Refero" refero.relata@gmail.com wrote:
Just to repeat: the original edits by that IP were not trolling, but relevant contributions to the discussion at WT:SOCK, but put with a directness - not drama - that most of us would have avoided.
You think. I think it was repeating a baseless allegation made by a banned user with a grudge. But then, I have been harassed by these people for so long that I am inclined to think that anything which has its origins in one of their memes is done with deliberate intent.
I seem to recall that the IP turned out to be using Tor as well, but that might just be the other IPs who stoked the drama.
Of the subsequent edits before he was blocked, I didn't see any 'pushing' of the COIanalyst theory. The most he said was "As a consultant with what looks to be money riding on your participation in this endeavor" to Jehochman, which, as has been pointed out on AN/I, is an unfortunate interpretation that could be made by someone glancing through Jehochman's userpage, if someone hadn't read the subpage in which he addresses those issues.
Quite. So it was an allegation picked up "somewhere" and not investigated with any diligence whatsoever. I have a word for that...
It's precisely the lack of nuance that causes this to be interpreted in the manner in which Guy has which has concerned so many people. This is not sympathizing with disruptive users, this is not seeking to disrupt the project, this is simply a concern that some people are getting so heated that they are losing some of their judgment. So, yes. Under these circumstances I would have hoped for more than "five or ten seconds". I would have hoped for a quiet, drama- and hyperbole-free discussion of whether the IP's edits were block-worthy, and then we could have moved on. That this did not happen was not because of the IP.
Which we had, except for the Tor nodes and sockpuppets which heated the debate, and the admin who repeated the allegation about Durova also without bothering to check the facts *at all*.
Just a quick question for you here: for how long does an unsubstantiated allegation made by our detractors and brought to us through Tor nodes have to be discussed?
Guy (JzG)