On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:43:53 -0800, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
As I recall I recently had a minor altercation with JzG himself over this, where he speedy-deleted one of Suriname's leading-circulation newspapers ([[De Ware Tijd]]), which article had existed since December 2005 until he deleted it last week. When I undeleted and contested that "one of the two leading newspapers in Suriname" could possibly be considered to not even be a *assertion* notability, he retorted that Suriname's population is only 5% of London's.
Which it is. And the circulation of the paper is around 10,000, I'm told, which is tiny. And the article was unsourced and lacked a single substantive claim of significance, other than the (uncited) claim of being the biggest fish in an incredibly small pond.
To contextualise, this paper has a smaller circulation than my local free sheet, and I live in a fairly ordinary sized town.
The solution is to find independent sources which talk about the paper. I'm afraid I'm not very sympathetic to claims of notability in deletion debates which are not followed through with actual tangible and verifiable claims of notability in the article.
We now have two independent sources, I see - one is 404 and the other looks like a passing mention in a gazetteer. Obviously since you know so much about the subject, you'll find it trivially easy to find some independent analysis of the subject and add it to the article. I look forward to seeing that. Or is it really too much to ask that the English Wikipedia actually provide some usable English sources to back up an article?
Guy (JzG)