On 3/21/07, Jeff Raymond <jeff.raymond(a)internationalhouseofbacon.com> wrote:
Slim Virgin wrote:
Not so. We posted to NOR and V that ATT would go
live soon *so long as
there were no major objections*.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&…
That was one day *after* you first posted to the ATT talk page. So you
did know about it in plenty of time to object, and anyone with those
pages on their watchlist would have seen those notices.
I had the *opportunity* to know about it, yes. But I didn't, not that it
mattered, because I had no major objection.
Okay, that was all I wanted to establish. Notices were posted in
places that were on your watchlist, and you took part in a talk page
discussion about it, saying you thought it was "excellent," *before*
it went live. And yet now you say you didn't know about it.
Look, I'm not having a go at you, and I'm sorry you're the person I'm
focusing on. But I find this whole thing both funny and sad. People
*did* know about this, and people *did* support it. Months later,
Jimbo sees that NOR and V have the word "superseded" on them, and he
worries that it sounds too close to "deprecated," so he removes those
tags and expresses his concern that two important pages about separate
concepts seem to have disappeared in some sense, and he wants to know
whether this was discussed widely enough. This is a perfectly
respectable position to take. I wasn't particularly keen on the word
"superseded" myself.
But because it's Jimbo, a bunch of people turn up wanting to agree
with him, and then in fact go further than he went, saying they didn't
know about it either, and if they had, they might have objected. Then
we find out they *did* know about it, and didn't object at all.
I'm getting the impression that if Jimbo had turned up and said what a
marvellous innovation it was and how he loved it, the pages of the
authors would be full of barnstars today, possibly given by the same
people who are now complaining. I'm not including you in that, Jeff,
or Guy who posted earlier along the same lines, because I know you'd
both be saying this regardless and I respect your opinion. But there
are others who I know are just swinging with the wind, and it's really
annoying. This was a good merge of two key policies, and it should be
looked at on its merits, and not supported or derided based on who
else is doing the same.
Sarah