On 3/21/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
Slim Virgin wrote:
Not so. We posted to NOR and V that ATT would go live soon *so long as there were no major objections*. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_research&a...
That was one day *after* you first posted to the ATT talk page. So you did know about it in plenty of time to object, and anyone with those pages on their watchlist would have seen those notices.
I had the *opportunity* to know about it, yes. But I didn't, not that it mattered, because I had no major objection.
Okay, that was all I wanted to establish. Notices were posted in places that were on your watchlist, and you took part in a talk page discussion about it, saying you thought it was "excellent," *before* it went live. And yet now you say you didn't know about it.
Look, I'm not having a go at you, and I'm sorry you're the person I'm focusing on. But I find this whole thing both funny and sad. People *did* know about this, and people *did* support it. Months later, Jimbo sees that NOR and V have the word "superseded" on them, and he worries that it sounds too close to "deprecated," so he removes those tags and expresses his concern that two important pages about separate concepts seem to have disappeared in some sense, and he wants to know whether this was discussed widely enough. This is a perfectly respectable position to take. I wasn't particularly keen on the word "superseded" myself.
But because it's Jimbo, a bunch of people turn up wanting to agree with him, and then in fact go further than he went, saying they didn't know about it either, and if they had, they might have objected. Then we find out they *did* know about it, and didn't object at all.
I'm getting the impression that if Jimbo had turned up and said what a marvellous innovation it was and how he loved it, the pages of the authors would be full of barnstars today, possibly given by the same people who are now complaining. I'm not including you in that, Jeff, or Guy who posted earlier along the same lines, because I know you'd both be saying this regardless and I respect your opinion. But there are others who I know are just swinging with the wind, and it's really annoying. This was a good merge of two key policies, and it should be looked at on its merits, and not supported or derided based on who else is doing the same.
Sarah