Todd Allen wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
Matthew Brown wrote:
On 6/16/07, Jossi Fresco
<jossifresco(a)mac.com> wrote:
A Wikiproject to "eliminate unreferenced
articles"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Unreferenced_articles
This seems a bit excessive.
Well, it depends how that elimination is being done - by adding
references is quite OK, for instance. By nominating for deletion
things that no references can be found for after an exhausting search
is also OK in my book.
Experience shows that the "exhausting search" is not always there.
Sometimes there is no search before nomination; perhaps a nomination
should show evidence that some searching has happened.
Or we could go the other way, and say that an -article- should show some
evidence that searching has happened.
WP:V:
"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material."
The fact that you had no option but to quote a rule gives me confidence
about my own argument. Unfortunately people who are too quick to use
rules are also too quick to misuse them.. The rule makes sense when
there are no other options. If someone insists that the inhabitants of
Mars are four feet tall, have green skin, and reproduce in a manner that
resembles putting one's thumbs in a partner's ears I would be tempted to
invoke that rule. In many instances, however, those invoking the rule
are just being lazy dicks. The evidence is readily available, and far
less time would be wasted adding it instead of hassling that editor
about his failures.
You write an article, it is -your job- to source it,
not someone else's.
If you're just hacking at it from memory...well what are you writing it
for in the first place, find sources first!
I joined at a time when Wikipedia was a collaborative effort of all
editors, and no one person owned any articles. In those good old days
someone who felt that a source was needed would help his brother editor
by adding one. Sometimes that brother editor might even thank him for
doing so.
Ec