I did not want to include in the first message, but I would certainly support a move to desysop all admins who did such action. ArbCon is not entirely indifferent to the voices of the community. this is of course a long drawn out and complicated process. I think it is best deferred till the present immediate issues are settled. If there is further arbitrary action against the apparent wishes of the community, it can only prove counterproductive, and will further encourage opposition. However, it is possible that the sensible people among the established WPedians will realize the advisability of compromise.
Personally, I will take the arbcom decision on BDJeff as an indicator. I do not want to take the decision not to promote Gracenote as a negative indicator, because the AfD was compromised by irrelevant argumentation--yet there was a 73% support.
DGG
On 6/6/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/6/07, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
I would never intervene administratively in a matter where I have debated. But the established people do this all the time, and think it justified.
To be impolite, this is because there are no real immediate repercussions to be had short of going nuts with a sysop bit, blocking Jimbo, and deleting the main page. A regular user who starts warring and being incivil generally will be blocked and/or heavily tongue lashed and chastised. Established users, and in particular certain admins, generally have free reign to do whatever they please. They're not likely to be blocked, and more importantly, they are--short of ArbCom or their going completely batshit insane--won't lose their admin status.
It's far too easy for any idiot to get admin status. Put up a nice facade, rack up your 3,000 to 5,000 edits, do your 3-6 months of time, don't piss off anyone critically, and voila: you get buttons.
It's equally for too difficult for the idiots with bits to be knocked off. This is a major problem. The community, if empowered to desysop as well as sysop, would put a stop to half the problems of such a nature. Unfortunately, that would not happen, because such a movement would require administrative support to become policy, and all the admins would then have bullseyes on them if they misbehaved (theoretically). It's unfortunate, but understandable. And unfortunately, it will likely not change.
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l