On 2/25/07, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
Kurt Maxwell Weber kmw@armory.com writes:
On Sunday 25 February 2007 03:18, Ray Saintonge wrote:
Not long ago there was a proposal to relocate the items that appear on AfD to the various WikiProjects so that the requests could be looked at by people who have some understanding of the issue. As usual that got nowhaere.
Yup. I was the one who made that proposal (unless someone else proposed the same thing independently). As I recall, the primary objection to it was that it was a bad idea because "the author of this proposal [me] is an extreme inclusionist"--true, but irrelevant. -- Kurt Weber kmw@armory.com
I remember the objections being more along the lines of asserting that such a change would allow the inmates to run the asylum - fancruft is kept in check by nonfans, and if deletion debates are dominated (by policy and not merely by practice) by fans/members of the relevant Wikiproject, that check would be removed.
If there is agreement about the value and neutrality of content among a wide enough group of fans for there to be a WikiProject, that seems like a good place to invoke "Wiki is not paper". The nonfans should keep such articles in perspective and correct for the systematic biases of fans, but if a WikiProject wants an article and is willing to invest the effort to correct for blatant POV and COI, why not let 'em have it?
For moving forward with the notability problem stepwise, I think we should change the notability baseline from: "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of at least one substantial or multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject and of each other"
to: "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of at least one non-trivial published work from a sources that is reliable and independent of the subject"
-Sage