On 2/25/07, Gwern Branwen <gwern0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Kurt Maxwell Weber <kmw(a)armory.com> writes:
On Sunday 25 February 2007 03:18, Ray Saintonge
wrote:
Not long ago there was a proposal to relocate the
items that appear on
AfD to the various WikiProjects so that the requests could be looked at
by people who have some understanding of the issue. As usual that got
nowhaere.
Yup. I was the one who made that proposal (unless someone else proposed the
same thing independently). As I recall, the primary objection to it was that
it was a bad idea because "the author of this proposal [me] is an extreme
inclusionist"--true, but irrelevant.
--
Kurt Weber
<kmw(a)armory.com>
I remember the objections being more along the lines of asserting that
such a change would allow the inmates to run the asylum - fancruft is
kept in check by nonfans, and if deletion debates are dominated (by
policy and not merely by practice) by fans/members of the relevant
Wikiproject, that check would be removed.
If there is agreement about the value and neutrality of content among
a wide enough group of fans for there to be a WikiProject, that seems
like a good place to invoke "Wiki is not paper". The nonfans should
keep such articles in perspective and correct for the systematic
biases of fans, but if a WikiProject wants an article and is willing
to invest the effort to correct for blatant POV and COI, why not let
'em have it?
For moving forward with the notability problem stepwise, I think we
should change the notability baseline from:
"A topic is notable if it has been the subject of at least one
substantial or multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that
are reliable and independent of the subject and of each other"
to:
"A topic is notable if it has been the subject of at least one
non-trivial published work from a sources that is reliable and
independent of the subject"
-Sage