Frankly, two and a half hours for a DRV is bordering on the ridiculous. Very few people have the opportunity to see it and form opinions in this time; hell, a lot of them won't even be awake. This was a vastly out of process speedy deletion, considering the article had survived so many AfDs. But we could perhaps consider it to be in the spirit of IAR. But you don't then justify an out of process deletion with an out of process speedy endorsement. Discussion is _not_ bad. All this does is cause more and more discussion over the nature of the closure, and less and less on the issue (and thus even _less_ attention goes on the rest of the encyclopaedia). Jimbo commented on the Peppers DRV "As I say, I think it would have been slightly better to let it run for at least 24 hours"; this is going in the opposite direction. Trebor