I did not send "8 messages in a row." I sent updates, when new developments
happened.
I see that the "moderation" system put them in all at once, and I got eight
"your comment is being moderated" notices at once.
Since you obviously do not care about systemic abuse, feel free to just not
read my emails.
On 2/17/07, Gwern Branwen <gwern0(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please do not send *8* messages in a row. If you must write so much,
consider consolidating messages into, I don't know, something less than
a power of 2?
Incredibly rude to other readers of wikien-l. I hope you get put on
moderation for this; maybe then you will learn the difference between
uses and abuses of email.
"Samuel L Bronkowitz" <countpointercount(a)gmail.com> writes:
One of the abusive editors who was involved in
the false accusations has
now
decided he has the right to remove unblock
requests from my talk page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACountPointercount&…
This is beyond abusive by him, but as I am seeing from the treatment I
am
receiving, too typical of how wikipedians
behave.
"Thanks" for nothing but the abuse you have now heaped upon me.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 1:08 PM
Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
One final update: Yamla, who I note has a long history of
rubber-stamping
abusive blocks, has done so on my request for
unblock.
I must consider this systematic abuse by administrators at this point.
I will consider my options carefully, but you have done nothing to prove
to
me that Wikipedia is worth any contribution any
more. You have likely
lost
the contribution of a 3+ year veteran, and I will
probably start going
in
and removing articles I have previously
contributed. You have no right
to
them any more.
"Thank you" for nothing but abuse. It has really shown me what Wikipedia
is
about and how worthless it is.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
The bad "discussion closed" code has now been placed around the new
discussion: one ReyBrujo "restored" the template to the wrong discussion
thread due to the hyperactive bot which removed still-ongoing threads
from
the page.
This is a big problem, people trying to close off discussions relevant
to
Wikipedia and to the actions of Wikipedian
editors and administrators
without answering the concerns being addressed.
I have no idea whether my questions are actually reaching the list,
either.
This is most disconcerting.
I am requesting an answer, but having received none, and having now seen
how
Wikipedia's administrators are more than
content to let abuse of this
sort
go on with no answer, I am 90% certain that I
will be leaving Wikipedia.
I
will not make things worse or vandalize articles,
but I cannot say that
the
thought of doing so did not cross my mind. As I
travel quite
extensively, it
would be very easy for me to acquire a new IP
address every time that I
go
somewhere and damage Wikipedia a little bit just
for the fun of doing
so,
since constructive editing and the right to
defend myself against basely
false accusations are being denied me.
Since I have apparently not had any of your time, I shall not thank you
for
it in this missive any more.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:26 PM
Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
This has also had the unintended effect of SERIOUSLY messing up the
page, as
it appears every thread below it is
"archived" due to the bad coding
left
behind on the out-of-process closed discussion
from earlier as well.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:24 PM
Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Additional issue:
It appears someone's bot is doing damage, removing threads that are not
remotely irrelevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_not…
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz <countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: Fwd: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by
JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
I am filing one more update. I do not know if any of these will get
through,
but I am trying my best.
I have filed a request for Unblock as noted in the blocking notes page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACountPointercount&…
I also must note that, now that I am blocked, there is constant posting
of
libelous statements about me to the earlier
discussions. It seems that
now
that JKelly has abusively blocked me, a large
number of people wish to
ingratiate themselves somehow by piling on.
It saddens me that this is the atmosphere of wikipedia. I may very well
simply leave, for this is showing me a bad side I had not seen before,
and
Wikipedia is fast becoming something I do not
wish to be a part of if
this
is the true feeling and mentality of the editors
here.
In sincerity,
Thank you for your time.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
Date: Feb 16, 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
I wish to update my earlier message; the two users who filed this
CheckUser
request are now spending quite a bit of time
making false charges at me
at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide…
third has jumped in who is just making accusations over and
> over.
> I find this highly unfair, as I have
no relation to any of this or the
pages
in question beyond my stated opinion that
administrator and editor
misbehavior has occurred and that the case's resolution was not
conducted in
> proper respect for policy and civility.
> User JKelly has now acted on these
false accusations and banned me from
> editing, as well as defacing my user page with a Scarlet Letter
harassment
> token.
> You can see my edit history for
yourself. I have not done anything bad
to
warrant this kind of abuse, yet I have received
it from multiple users
and
at least one trigger-happy administrator now, as
well as one
administrator
> willing to completely misrepresent CheckUser results.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/CountPointercount
> This comment was left, but I'm
now unable to respond in my own defense
> thanks to the abuse by JKelly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_not…
> This is blatantly unfair practice.
Since JKelly and other abusive
> administrators and editors are more than willing to behave in this
manner, I
> have no choice but to come here for redress.
> Thank you for your time.
> ---------- Forwarded message
----------
> From: Samuel L Bronkowitz < countpointercount(a)gmail.com>
> Date: Feb 16, 2007 9:48 AM
> Subject: I have a problem with CheckUser as administered by JPGordon
> To: wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Hello,
> I've been editing Wikipedia for
quite a while, but decided to make an
> account recently and signed up. I continued my normal editing (mostly
typo
and fixes on random articles, which seems to be a
way to find a lot of
your
mistakes) but noticed a problem on the
Administrators' Noticeboard and
left
> my opinion there.
> A user included me in a CheckUser for
speaking up on the issue. They
accused
the user PSPMario, who seems to have edited only
on the Playstation 3
and
> Playstation Portable articles, of being a sockpuppet of someone after he
> reported two users he suspected of being a sockpuppet.
> I find it a very bad precedent to
immediately accuse someone of being a
> sockpuppet, for trying to report a potential problem themselves. I find
this
equally problematic to say that "identical
additions of info" happen
when we
give users the tools in difference comparison to
easily copy content
from an
earlier edit to a later edit. PSPMario says he
was replacing something
he
> saw that was missing when he returned to the page, and I believe him,
> because there is no reason for me not to believe him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incide…
> The result of the Checkuser came back
as "likely."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/RunedCho…
> I am not sure what this means. I know
I am no sockpuppet, and given the
> writing style of PSPMario, I am reasonably certain he is not a
sockpuppet
> either.
> I do not know when we started using
weasel words for CheckUser, which
ought
to be a yes or no answer, but this sets a very
bad precedent for abuse
of
the CheckUser system. Additionally, we have users
trying to get everyone
they can blocked, no matter what their edits or edit history, based on
the
> results of weasel-worded RFCU postings.
> This situation is a detriment to
Wikipedia.
> Thank you for your time.
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