On Dec 7, 2007 12:42 AM, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 6, 2007 5:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 7, 2007 12:26 AM, jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
What prevarication? People have straightforwardly stated that !!'s block was not co-ordinated on the cyberstalking list. What is unclear?
I am someone who does not believe there has been significant prevarication beyond what Durova may have committed, and that even is conceivably not prevarication but merely very artfully telling the truth in a misleading way, rather than the real genuine prevarication of telling falsehoods.
But I do have to say that the way you yourself phrase that "straightforward" statement, leaves quite a few things not clear.
If not coördinated on the list, was the posting by Durova an impetus for private correspondance that though (due to its off-topicness) wasn't enacted on-list, nevertheless brought together or just simply in support individually with Durova a group of members of that list in an unofficial task force or whatever... these kind of questions are clearly not exhausted by the "straightforward" statements you mention.
What on earth would private correspondence have to do with the list, and how would anyone possibly know anyway?
The connection would of course only be the origination. Which, if one thinks about it, could have easily been sidestepped by Durova, by simply CC:ing the original e-mail to every subscriber, instead of making an obviously off-topic post to the list. (Unless we are to believe that such postings were the normal fare of the list, which I do not.)
On the question of how can "we" know such a thing, of course in no fashion at all, because it would of course be sealed in high "privacy". Of course, if it did exist, it would be incorrect to say that anyone couldn't know about its existence, because ofcourse the participants would know, and if individual in nature, at the very least Durova would know, though understandably would be bound by the expectation of privacy, which she has already claimed for herself.
Which does to my mind underscore the fact that there will likely always remain things about this affair which will remain "unclear". Which was the direct point I was adressing. Nothing further than that. There are things which we most likely will not know anytime soon, but it is clearly false to say that we know everything there is to know about this affair.
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]