On 28/08/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 8/28/07 9:43 AM, Armed Blowfish at diodontida.armata@googlemail.com wrote:
On 28/08/07, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 8/28/07 9:10 AM, Puppy at puppy@KillerChihuahua.com wrote:
Legitimate requests are not attacks, regardless of how they are phrased. And criticizing terminology is expanding the issue needlessly. Shall we /not/ see how many sub-issues we can drag into this thread? Just a thought, but stay on topic.
OK, "go away" may be a "legitimate request" (actually, it reads like an order); but what do you call "you trolling fuckwit"?
Marc Riddell
Like I said, Wikipaedia is also an attack site. David hardly started
that.
It's ingrained in the culture.
If this is so, and we expect to become - and to remain - a legitimate, respected project - we've got a lot of work to do.
Let's see... if you ask for offencive material to be removed from ED, they will make the situation worse. If you ask for offencive material to be removed from Wikipaedia, they might very well do the same thing.
More courtesy blankings, deletions and oversights would help solve this problem. Also, try avoiding public interrogation of OTRS members on private matters.
I personally believe that the vast majority of Community Members are above that sort of behavior. That's where the hope comes from.
Marc
It really doesn't matter if it is intentional or not. Courtesy blankings, deletions and oversights are not sanctions against the users who made the comments.
However, there are certain societal values that encourage attacks. Placing freedom of information and Google's right to cache above the feelings of real people. Placing the public's right to know who people are above the privacy and safety of people who seriously could get hurt. Placing the need to punish those who do 'bad' things above actually resolving the situation, even if they were only responding to bad things which were done to them. The belief that if someone is attacked, they must have done something to deserve it.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, will make the whole world blind and toothless.
Daniel R. Tobias wrote:
On 27 Aug 2007 at 19:27:25 +0100, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Go away, you trolling fuckwit.
There's no "No Personal Attacks" policy on this list, apparently.