On 13/08/07, Kamryn Matika kamrynmatika@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/13/07, Armed Blowfish diodontida.armata@googlemail.com wrote:
To clarify on that, consider good Tor users and exit node operators who have never contributed to Wikipaedia. They cannot be said to have violated policy, since they have obeyed it by not editing, either when most of Tor was softblocked, or by evading Tor blocks while most of Tor has been hardblocked. (Well, unless you want to say that exit node operators allowing exits to Wikipaedia are 'violating policy' by doing so... why some people think Tor exit policies are in Wikipaedia's jurisdiction, I don't know....)
It would be nice if those Tor users and exit node operators could edit, after being authenticated as trusted. On the Tor IRC channel, Wikipaedia is complained about more than any other site, by polite individuals. However, I myself have no interest in getting unbanned/unblocked/whatever, and said RfA is a source of distress for me, so it would be nice if you could leave that out of the debate.
How are we supposed to authenticate people as 'trusted' if they have never edited?
Blocks do not apply to user talk pages. So, suppose the Tor person gets an account somehow - either Tor nodes allowing exiting to Wikipaedia are hardblocked with account created enabled, or he emails the unblock mailing list and asks someone to create an account for him. After that, it's just like {{2ndchance}} - the Tor person can copy some neglected article to his or her talk page, improve it, and use {{helpme}}, until some sufficient level of trust is attained.
Another thought might be to let people who have contributed to other open source projects, like Tor, count those contributions elsewhere towards their level of trustworthiness on Wikipaedia, but note that the standards on other projects are different.
Also see: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Armedb... (focuses on technical aspects) http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/Judith/Identity/IdentityDeception.html (focuses on social aspects)
Armed Blowfish