On 4/22/07, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/22/07, Cascadia cascadia@privatenoc.com wrote:
First, Ryulong failed to follow policy. He did not assume good faith,
nor
did he follow WP:SOCK. He arbitrarily made up his mind that these socks
were
the same person, and they were trolling (neither of which was the case
and
should have been evident). On top of this, he blocked the socks with autoblock enabled, effectively giving the editors an ultimatum: Out themselves or quit the discussion.
Ryulong then left, leaving his actions in place and having other admins clean up the mess. This wasn't just a simple mistake as everyone would
like
to believe. This was a serious issue. Too often on Wikipedia admins feel they can make such mistakes and everything will be OK when they
appologize.
The action should never have taken place, and the editors and admins involved made that quite evident.
No, I wouldn't call for someone from being banned from editing for
breaking
a pages formatting, but then again, this is a poor comparison. Breaking
a
pages formatting has no chance of hurting another iditor, Ryulong's did
have
that chance (depending on who you ask, the risk would be less or
greater).
Admins need to take responsibility for their actions and realize that
their
adminship is not an ammunity, and "I'm sorry" is not a fix all, and
should
never be treated as such by anyone.
-Cascadia
But it sure goes a long way. One of my favorite editors is a guy who called me a "hostile editor" the first time I interacted with him. Sadly, he just left Wikipedia, and was one of the best at doing careful research for BLPs, and he was willing to monitor and edit anyone, no matter how obscure, and no matter the hostile interference of people using Wikipedia for their own interests on the BLP. I don't remember if we actually apologized to each other, but we both certainly considered the article and Wikipedia more important than our differences--if anyone apoligized first, though, it was probably him.
KP
And, (get this) they might actually have a place for editors, to talk to other editors, about *random /human/ stuff*!
Ah, just my imagination...
No, the general idea would just be a place where people can talk about their lives, and connect on a personal level. Kind of like a coffee lounge of sorts...
Are you people teasing me, or what? :-)
If you are, nice job ;-)
If not, where do we start?
Marc Riddell
There already are millions of such places, they're called restaurants, parks, beaches, jungles, churches, birthday parties, protest marches, buses, airplanes, living rooms, cruise ships, sidewalks.... Today I spoke with people over the telephone, at the graveyard, in the grocery store, at the cafe....
KP