On 9/24/06, Constantine Evans constantine@evanslabs.org wrote:
Note that notability is not the policy. Verifiability is. Even if a school is notable "by default", as some claim, if there is no verifiable information about it, there should be no article.
Guettarda wrote:
On 9/23/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/09/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
This is a hardened attitude formed by people on VFD as it was who wanted to delete all schools from Wikipedia below the notability level of Eton. That is: the process was pathological on both sides.
Quite frankly I am anything but a deletionist, but I think that a school with 75 students and no other claim to notability doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article
So let's assume every school will be in Wikipedia on the same basis
that every pissweak or even no-longer-existent hamlet in the US will remain. What can be done then?
- Is existence enough? Evidently.
- So we need proof of existence and basic verifiable information.
There is a long-established tradition of notability for Wikipedia articles. We delete things that are non-notable. People who say "all schools are notable" aren't discussing an issue, they are espousing an ideology. Some people who home-school their children register a
school. By
that token, anyone home-schooling their children is notable enough for inclusion, so the only barrier then is verifiability
There should be enough for a stub at the very least. If you want to
turn it into a list entry instead, the redirect needs to be in the appropriate place.
If you're bringing this to wikien-l to re-fight the school deletion wars, you're probably not spending your time well.
You really shouldn't be calling the kettle black David ;)
- d.
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Verifyability is not a problem; there are nationwide school databases out on the Internet with the basic particulars, and in many cases fairly extensive information, on every legitimate school nationwide. Some of these are things like US Department of Education annual reports, which are both available on the web and available in printed form. There are equivalents from state Boards of Education as well.
This information is extremely widely available because parents use it in selecting where they want to move to, based on educational strength, and because public oversight of schools is a generally accepted positive thing.