On 23 Sep 2006, at 18:36, George Herbert wrote:
On 9/23/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/09/06, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
The problem with the DRV is that the existence of a number of votes from obdurate "all schools are inherently notable" types means that vote counting gives no consensus, whereas a comparison of arguments from policy - specifically verifiability and hence the ability to cover the subject objectively - shows a clear delete.
This is a hardened attitude formed by people on VFD as it was who wanted to delete all schools from Wikipedia below the notability level of Eton. That is: the process was pathological on both sides.
So let's assume every school will be in Wikipedia on the same basis that every pissweak or even no-longer-existent hamlet in the US will remain. What can be done then?
- Is existence enough? Evidently.
- So we need proof of existence and basic verifiable information.
There should be enough for a stub at the very least. If you want to turn it into a list entry instead, the redirect needs to be in the appropriate place.
If you're bringing this to wikien-l to re-fight the school deletion wars, you're probably not spending your time well.
- d.
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Just for reference, we're looking at a worst case roughly 124,000 school stubs ( http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/ dt04_085.asp ) for the US.
I understand those that disagree, but I think the categorical include pseudopolicy for schools makes sense. They're of immense interest to most parents, the school system has 72 million odd Americans in it, and categorical inclusionism here is not in any way throwing Wikipedia into disrepute or threatening our server load or diskspace.
I don't the issue is technological. It's more to do with the reliability of the information.
The idea is that a smaller encyclopaedia with reliable information is better than one twice as big where (a possibly unknown) half of the information is unreliable.