Resid, [[WP:OURS]] was speedy deleted because it fell under [[WP:CSD#General_criteria]] (general criteria 5), which states as a valid reason for speedy deletion : "Pages created by banned usershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_banned_userswhile they were banned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Banning_policy." You are a BANNED user. Raphael Wegmann [[User:Raphael1]] acting as a proxy for you created the page [[Wikipedia:OURS]] in direct correspondance with this proposal you made on this mailing list (WP:OURS). The copy of Wikiethics stored on the user space previously accorded you was deleted because despite your banned status you were editing it via anonymous IPs starting with 216.xx.xx (as mentioned in the RFCU confirming your usage of such IPs and sockpuppets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser/Rgulerdem ). Due to your repetitive demonstrations of highly disruptive conduct on both the English and Turkish Wikipedias ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&pag... http://tr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%96zel:Log&type=block&p...) and your insistence on trying to create policy on Wikipedia despite your permanently blocked status, I suspect that you will soon be blocked from even contributing to this mailing list (and rightly so).
-Scott Stevenson [[User:Netscott]]
On 6/6/06, Resid Gulerdem resid_gulerdem@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] To: Jimmy Wales -
Admin-driven death of Wikipedia
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:49:21 +0200
Jimmy Wales wrote:
Resid Gulerdem wrote:
The admins are only part of the community now
and
will stay like that in the future, as far as I
can
see. Are some modifications needed in your
opinion? I
believe the answer is yes. I do not know if you
could
see the proposal [[WP:OURS]] I posted on this
list
recently. I think it can be useful and can be developed further. I tried to outline some
important
points which may reduce the conflicts between the admins and the users. If you saw it, do you think
it
is feasible?
I see no reference to WP:OURS in google, so I am
unable to comment. Can
you send it to me?
I've just created the proposed policy on
[[Wikipedia:OURS]].
-- Raphael
Mr. Wales,
I was wondering if you could review the proposal [[WP:OURS]] and [[WP:ETH]]?
I would like to know also if you are aware of the discussion and weird admin actions going around this proposals recently:
Right after I posted the proposal [[WP:OURS]] to this mailing list (it includes a link to the updated version of the proposal [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] on my old user page [[User:Rgulerdem\Wikiethics]]) someone deleted that page immediately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Rgulerdem.2FWikiethics
An editor [[User:Raphael]] decided to have a copy of the updated version of [[Wikipedia:Wikiethics]] from my old user page to improve it further. It is also deleted right away. Lots of wikilawyering and insincerity going around: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DRV#User:Raphael1.2FWikiethics
He further formulated his version of the proposal [[WP:OURS]] after modifications, rewording, and some improvements on the main space. It is deleted too right after created without a single word on its talk page. I cannot provide a link for this because even the 'deletion discussion page' is deleted.
I hope now it is clear what may 'admin-driven death of Wikipedia' mean. With this structure and functioning it is not possible to have a health product in my opinion. As Wikipedia gets bigger one may expect this admin problem become more apparent and frustrating.
Please note that on purely technical issues the problems are smaller than the ones on the controversial issues. Many (not all) of the admins as far as I can see are some college kids mostly sitting around a computer. As a result Wikipedia is evolving very fast towards an online forum or clubhouse with an heavy ideologic bigotry and a tone on social issues determined by the instincts of some computer operators and programmers playing encyclopedist. This does not make the Wikipedia a reliable source of information. Lynching editors according to their background that their names may imply does not bring any honor to Wikipedia.
I would appreciate if you could give some feedback about these concerns. Please again consider those as friendly and sincere concerns from a user who likes the Wikipedia be successful. I am just pointing out the danger which will get Wikipedia down tomorrow if not today. I have some further ideas similar to [[WP:Wikiethics]] and [[WP:OURS]] towards constructing a better structure but an administrative will is necessary to be able to implement that. Your comments will result in either continuation or end of my Wiki experience.
Best,
Resid
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