jayjg jayjg99@gmail.com wrote:
This was an official Hezbollah operation. Hezbollah is *part* of the Lebanese government. There are Hezbollah *ministers* in the government.
Without actually knowing much about this hot news story, Lebanon or its history, I don know that "There are Hezbollah *ministers* in the government" is *some* kind of logical fallacy. Im not exactly sure which -probably because its so obvious its not worth thinking about.
--- Dabljuh dabljuh@gmx.net wrote:
An official Hezbollah operation? Who is Hezbollah? A political party in Lebanon that is currently in power, or any lebanese people that perform terrorist acts against Israel?
Its obvious that you are reasonably intelligent and articulate, so I can only assume that you were "banned" (as Jay put) because you crossed the line into making personal attacks, or making points which violate Godwin's (now sacred) law banning comparisons to Nazis in internet discussion forums. That itself isnt an issue if you can make your points without sounding bigoted or incivil; the "come to your senses" and "please reconsider your own position" comments were inapproprate because our personal views are beside the point.
There is no enlightened way to take a side between competing nationalisms -- all concepts of "nationhood" are equivalent, and equally inferior to a universal concept of civility. Therefore we reserve our distinctions to those which advance civility, and discard concepts based in one particular culture or another as simply POV.
That said, I appreciate your explanation of the situation, according to your point of view. It is not a point of view which appears to be sufficiently represented (probably because people under attack -- by anything bigger than bottlerockets -- means the electricity is out and there are probably other things to worry about. Thats assuming you people can write good English in the first place.
-Stevertigo
Did Hezbollah publish the announcement to capture israeli military on their website? their blog? Did the civilian government of Lebanon authorize commando actions against israel? Did they maybe make a radio speech? Did they vote on those kidnappings or what?
Or was it a small group of terrorists that acted on their own, when by now every anti-israel-lebanese calls himself "Hezbollah"?
Ever heard of Al-Quaida, this little CIA-backed group lead by the late Osama Bin Laden? Yet almost every anti-american terrorist group claims, at least to have links to Al-Quaida.
Its just [[namedropping]]. "We're angry Bob and rabid Robert and we take responsibility for these acts of terrorism, which, well, mount up to pointing a gun at a lone guy and telling him to follow us", just doesn't sound that impressive, does it?
Jayjg, come to your senses.
Israel is attacking a country whos government has condemned the very attacks that are now being held against it.
"Hezbollah" is not a homogenous group, nor do they have a strong hierarchy. Terrorists organizations especially cannot afford strong hierarchies because it would be too easy to take them out.
What you can criticise about Lebanon and its Government, is that their police do not seem to delight helping Israel getting their citicens back. But you can probably guess why that is.
Pretending that the Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians are the just and proportionate answer to the kidnapping of Israelis by Lebanese criminals is horribly POV and, bluntly, batshit insane.
Please reconsider your own position.
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