On 2/3/06, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Problem is they are not doing RC patrol in the
clasical sense (remeber
RC patrol was not originaly pure anti vandalism.)
Maybe I'm being stupid, but I can't separate fighting vandalism from
fighting all the other junk that Wikipedia gets. Aye, they're
different, and categorised differently, but if I see a copyvio I'm
going to tag it, if I see an AfD-worthy article, I'll AfD it. Are you
suggesting that these activities should be ignored by this group of
users?
2) The images
imply (though the page denies) that the Unit is
sanctioned by the Foundation. The images actually are in violation of
the WMF's visual identity guidelines IMO. Solution: remove the
images.
The images do not imply that except to the tiny percentage of people
who have some idea about the reltionship between wikipedia the
foundation and the logo.
With respect, Minister, I disagree.
3) There
exists a category for members. This again implies that only
those members are "qualified" RC patrollers. Whilst *I* understand
that that is not intended, that is nonetheless a point that comes
across.
Oh dear. It would then appear that people are going to think we have
only 126 people "qualified" to counter systemic bias.
A project entitled a "project" gives a wholly different impression to
one labelled a "unit".
Note that I do
not say these things out of dislike for those
affliliated to the CVU. I admire the work they do. I just have
misgivings about the manner in which they organise themselves. Too
often I have seen people replying to criticism of the way the
organisation is run with "but look at all the work we do reverting
vandalism". But that misunderstands the reason for the opposition.
I ask those who support the CVU: 1) how does it help Wikipedia in ways
that a non-organisational structure couldn't?
Try thinking about people a second. People who are prepared to sit
there day after day fighting off vandalism are a little different from
others. Oh a lot of people go through a vandle fighting stage but they
burn out on that. That means we need a constant stream of new
recruites and ways to try and get the old hands stay on. CVU helps
with both. We know from "internet wars" that there are a fair number
of combat orentated internet users. CVU takes that and channels it
into something useful.
I am missing a key part of your logic: how does the CVU encourage
users to start RC patrolling in a way that a less organisational page
wouldn't?
and 2) is the good it
does really more significant than the dislike it creates among other
Wikipedians?
On the basis that the average wikipedian is unlikely to have many
dealings with it I'm going for yes.
I didn't say "the average Wikipedian", I said "other Wikipedians".
Difference.
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Sam