Jeff Raymond wrote:
Gurch wrote:
Though I probably go beyond the boundaries of CSD A7 in cases where, really, I think it merits it, I do try to take the criterion literally as far as possible, and PROD things that contain an assertion of notability even if it isn't an acceptable one.
Please, stop. No, seriously, stop. If you're speedying articles that don't meet the criteria, stop.
Fair enough, since you asked so nicely. I should emphasize, though, that many other people will bend the rules of speedy deletions a lot further than I have done. You may want to have a word with them; they don't all read this list. Not to mention the people that clear out PRODs, as the size of their task would increase significantly. Readers, too, should prepare for a small but not insignificant decline in the average quality of our articles.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
Sometimes, though, the prod tag gets removed, at which point I have to make a procedural listing at AfD and reset the five-day countdown to when the article can go, which does make me wonder if it's really
worth it.
Yeah, that is annoying... maybe PRODs should have to go through an extra step to be removed: One person adds a PROD tag, another changes it to a DISPUTED-PROD tag, another can then remove the tag, after which it has to go through AfD to be deleted. Admins can delete DISPUTED-PRODs after the usual 5 days (or maybe 2 days after the dispute is added if it is disputed in the last 2 days of the 5 day period). Basically, this means 2 people have to agree in order for a PROD to be removed (yes, this can be got around with sockpuppets, but there isn't much we can do about that that we don't do already).
It's nice to see new ideas being thrown around, but I'm not sure this is the way to go. Proposed deletion was deliberately designed to be simple at a time when AfD was being used for things that didn't merit that much complexity. Instruction creep, perhaps; I'm not a great fan of that term, though.