On 12/22/06, Ilmari Karonen nospam@vyznev.net wrote:
jayjg wrote:
On 12/21/06, Daniel P. B. Smith wikipedia2006@dpbsmith.com wrote:
You can't prove a negative, but you can certainly say "his book is not in the Cornell University Library" or whatever, and cite a link to the search or a description of how to do the search. This doesn't seem very different to me from a citation.
No, you absolutely cannot do that, for reasons eloquently stated elsewhere. The claim that it is not in the Cornell University Library is a novel conclusion based on your own original research;
I would disagree, and say that it is a claim made by the library catalogue, and thus properly sourced to them. The claim may be one made by omission, but, insofar as the catalogue claims to be comprehensive, it is nonetheless an unambiguous claim.
But that catalog has made *no* claims; it can't, it simply exists. Rather, some Wikipedia editor has made a claim *on behalf of the catalog*.
If the catalogue does not claim to be comprehensive, or if there is doubt about its accuracy, it may be better to phrase the statement explicitly as "his book is not listed in the Cornell University Library catalogue."
And who do we source that claim to? Zero0000? Daniel Smith? What does the footnote say: "Wikipedia editor Daniel Smith ran this specific search on the catalog on December 11, 2006, and it did not return any results"? Ridiculous.
None of the problems previously mentioned with legal databases apply to library catalogues, which I would rather compare to other common catalogue works such as phone books and dictionaries. In fact, ten or twenty years ago, one could even have pointed to the filing cabinets full of index cards and said "here's your printed source". :-)
Assuming you'd searched through the cards properly, one card hadn't stuck to the back of another, or been temporarily removed for some reason, or...
Or would you also consider the statement "IttyBittySoft was not listed in the Fortune 500 list for 2006" to be OR?
Why on earth would one ever want to put such a statement into an article? It's clear that the only reason would be to make some sort of argument, push some sort of POV regarding IttyBittySoft. Why not just stated the obvious facts, and leave it at that? "IttyBittySoft reported annual revenues of $36 million in 2006". That's all we need to say; let's not beat our readers over the head with our agenda.
Jay.