I can see that this new list will be separate, but will it be equal?
David
On 04/12/06, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/4/06, Steve Summit scs@eskimo.com wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I'd like to invite all my friends in Wikimedia to both decline membership in clubs build around overt gender discrimination and to reject their biases by refusing to give voice to their members in our overall community.
Wow. You're either with us or against us. Shun the unbelievers. Way to be inclusive there, Greg.
I reserve the right to shun anyone who would unite under a banner of bigotry and I hope you will take some time to consider it and do the same.
I didn't make my decision on short notice, so I don't expect you to either.
It is, in my view, no different to create a woman-only list to discuss solutions to gender biases within our projects than it would be to create a men-only list to discuss solutions to irrationality within our projects. In both cases a prejudiced determination is made about a persons ability to productively discuss a subject based on an unreasonable application of gender stereotypes.
Unlike affirmative action which can at least be argued to be a mechanism to reduce bigotry by encouraging collaboration, I see no fair justification for this act of segregation.
If the opportunity had existed, I would have implored the board to refuse to allow the foundation's resources to be used for this sexist mailing list but I was not given such an opportunity. I do, however, still have the ability to call on the rest of our community to reject it as thoroughly as possible.
The examples of overt sexism that I've seen posed by people have been examples of mostly-outsider k00ks like Mr. AM. But here today we see what appears to be an offical, if only tacit, endorsement of sexism against men. The great irony is that now that we have within our community a concrete, intentional, and overt act of sexism to discuss ... our only list for discussing sexism is closed to the victims. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l