Hmm. tough one.
I do think there was general perception that TRUE consensus does not scale as too many people get involved, and that as a result two bad things happen: 1. Some votes get held hostage by a single bad actor 2. Some people are afraid to voice disagreement in fear of upsetting the consensus
I walked away thinking that Kelly's best way to prove this, is to show analytically the average time to get a vote, and the % of votes being approved - and see if the data proves that as the number of people with a vote increases, the time to decisions slows to a crawl, and more and more decisions never happen.
If true- it would be pretty compelling. No one in the room seemed to have a religious belief that 100% AYE votes were per-se the right answer
Gil Gil@wikia.com
Kelly Martin wrote:
I don't think there was consensus on anything; there were some strongly held opinions in the room and not all of them were mine.
There seemed to be a general feeling that RfA on WP is no longer a consensus mechanism, but instead a supermajority mechanism, and that RfA does not do a very good job of selecting administrators, but also not a very bad one.
There was some discussion of alternative mechanisms for consensus building, such as the ASF and another site the name of which eludes me.
I think it's better for someone other than myself to try to summarize the points as I was a biased participant rather than an impartial observer. Perhaps Gil Penchina, who graciously moderated the discussion, or one of the observers who was not from enwiki, could provide a better summary than I.
Kelly
On 8/23/06, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/06, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
It was a BoF discussion. There were essentially no materials presented; I made a short extemporaneous opening statement, and then opened the floor for discussion, which ensued for about an hour. There may be an audio recording, although if there is I am not aware of it. Sorry.
Was there any consensus on whether consensus scales? :)
Even a roundup of any general themes would be very useful and interesting.
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