Kelly said:
"NOBODY is entitled to revert without discussion. 3RR says we're willing to tolerate it for regular editors. Admins are expected to be above this. Any admin who doesn't want to play by this rule is invited to visit [[m:Requests for permissions]]."
Slimvirgin said:
"The first person to undo the original admin action has started the wheel war, and it's that first undoing that shouldn't be happening as a rule."
True story: Last month, I restored [[Static grass]] after another admin mistook the AfD template for the PROD template I had replaced a few hours previously. The toolserver was lagging and as a result the PROD list was outdated, and because the two templates look similar, it was an easy mistake to make. The discussion on AfD was ongoing. More than 20 hours later, the deleting admin left a message on the AfD page apologizing for the mistake. Are you suggesting that I should I have just left the article deleted until he logged on again to undo the deletion, thus bringing the AfD discussion to a halt?
What if he had left on vacation immediately after deleting the article? Does the AfD just sit there?
Alternatively, what if I talked with 4-5 other admins and they all agreed that I should undelete the article? Under the definition above, I would still be starting a wheel war by undeleting the article.
Obviously wheel warring is bad news, but surely common sense must be applied in some situations. If you think I'm off track, please tell me what I should have done instead.
Nathaniel
On 4/20/06, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/20/06, slimvirgin@gmail.com slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/20/06, Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
Is it the right of every administrator to second-guess the administrative actions of any other administrator, and instantly revert them if they feel justified?
The culture of feeling entitled to instantly revert, though, is quite damaging.
Exactly right. Some admins have adopted a definition of "wheel warring" that excludes the first revert of an admin action -- so that if X blocks, and Y unblocks, Y is not wheel warring. But if X restores the block, X has started the wheel war. This is nonsense. The first person to undo the original admin action has started the wheel war, and it's that first undoing that shouldn't be happening as a rule.
I concur entirely with Sarah's definition of when a wheel war begins. This culture of "free whacks at the post" has to go. NOBODY is entitled to revert without discussion. 3RR says we're willing to tolerate it for regular editors. Admins are expected to be above this. Any admin who doesn't want to play by this rule is invited to visit [[m:Requests for permissions]].
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