On 9/14/05, Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Michael Turley michael.turley@gmail.com wrote:
Practical reason #1: The submit button and accompanying text referring to the licensing of submissions are identical. We'll have to change those.
And that would be hard??
It depends. Do you want users to have the option to selectively retain copyright over everything on their user and talk pages? If so, I think that path leads to license hell. If only images, how do we keep them reasonably differentiated without inspiring more Pioneer-12s? It might not be hard, but I don't think it can be done gracefully.
#2: Inertia and lack of differentiation between user space and the rest of Wikipedia. People already expect to be able to take items from all of Wikipedia under GFDL license.
Why would reusers even want or need to also have user pages? Also, from my experience, users in general do not like to have their user pages on other websites. So keeping user pages in the same database dump that reusers use has no practical benefit to anybody except maybe the person who creates the database dumps (exporting everything and only having one dump is easier).
Take the user pages out of the database dump. I don't see a problem with that. But database dumps certainly aren't the only method of reuse. We cannot base our policy on database dumps alone. Reusers want content, and our submission policy to date has been that all submissions are licensed for reuse. We cannot arbitrarily change that ex post facto for existing content.
If we're going to maintain sections where reuse is NOT permitted, I think we have an obligation to make that clear, and again, I think it leads to a real mess tracking what has been submitted under which license and where it can be used and reused.
#3: License hell as described in the next paragraph.
If we make an arbitrary exception, I think it could ONLY apply from whatever point we choose going forward. Current content has already been submitted under the old terms.
The old terms, as you put it, do not allow any NC or special use images. So what is your point? Do you mean to say that all NC and special use images now marked for deletion be deleted regardless of what namespace they were displayed from?
NC or special use? Please clarify further, as I want to be certain to answer the question you're asking rather than one I think you're asking.