On 9/14/05, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/14/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
That's what I see as a good thing. By involving people in the discussion who are not emotionally attached to the subject being discussed we can get views from outside the field of "fanatics" (sorry for not knowing a better word here).
I always try to back up my vote with some point of policy or research (see the photographer on AFD today). More people should base their votes off facts instead of "Keep, X is good/encyclopedic/verifiable". They should address the policy point that's being addressed. I.e "What do you mean not-notable? They were the main guest on Oprah last week and they have a top 100 Amazon sales rank." instead of "Writers are notable".
You could change the deletion process a thousand times, but if people put their own feelings of what should be included in the discussion (and preferably immediately). We'd agree on stuff a lot easier.
Perhaps closing admins should simply ignore opinions of the form "nn, delete" and "Keep all schools". People will stop offering such such bland opinions if they realize that their input is being ignored and will instead offer more useful commentary.
Having a "bland" opinion doesn't mean that the opinion is incorrect.
I think all schools are inherently notable. I also think all US Presidents are inherently notable. Both are "bland" opinions, neither deserves less respect than the other, but judgements about their correctness must be made independently.
The schools issue is an especially bad example for when to demand further explanation, as we have an entire project page dedicated to the pro and con arguments, each fully explained, each fully rational, but each also diametrically opposed to the other. It's a bad idea to whack this hornet's nest again, demanding that everyone re-justify their views when they're already clearly laid out on a Wikipedia project page.
The only reason I don't reference the school project opinion page anymore is that I grew tired of constantly posting a wikilink that is unlikely to be clicked on. I apologize and will resume linking to the page the next time I vote "Keep" for a school.
The place where overly simplified arguments don't belong is in the nomination. Elsewhere, it depends on context.