Then it simply becomes a vote, and not a straw poll to build consensus. For example, when closing an afd, if someone says it's a copyvio of www.google.com, it'll be deleted no matter how many keep votes there are. And [[George W. Bush]] always gets speedy kept. And [[Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion]] too. The big thing i hate about vfd is the ban on merging or moving an article for a week. You don't need consensus other then what any other regular editorial function would need to merge something. And non-admins can't speedy keep, can they?
On 9/12/05, Fastfission fastfission@gmail.com wrote:
Lack of closure, for one thing. I don't necessarily think the current way works but at least you get some centralized discussion. My vision of the "pure wiki deletion system" is one in which, after a week of revert warring, people start complaining on some centralized place, filing RfCs, etc., until finally it comes down to ten editors saying "don't recreate the page or you'll get banned" which is really all AfD or VfD was doing anyway.
There will always eventually be "discussion" at some point for the articles that people are going to force it over. And said discussion will probably always have bouts of "nastiness" if it's about whether someone's grandma is notable or not.
In fact... maybe the best approach is not to encourage more commenting on voting in VfD, but to discourage it! A simple vote of "keep" or "delete", no discussion, no nastiness! (I'm only half joking.. but the half that is joking is indeed joking)
The other thing of course is that blank pages are still indexed by Google and our own sad little search engine, if I understand it correctly. We could change this, of course, without too much difficulty in Media Wiki (just have it insert a noindex noarchive robot tag whenever it creates its cache of a page with no data or less than X characters or whatever), so that's just a minor quibble. Blank pages would also not appear as red links in the current implementation. But this, I'm sure, could also be changed.
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On 9/12/05, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
Mark Gallagher wrote:
G'day Dan,
Pure wiki deletion system.
A vandal's paradise.
Vandals can _already_ blank pages. Other people notice the blanking, check what's been blanked in the history, and if they think it was inappropriate they revert it. What would change?
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