On 10/23/05, Keith Old keithold@gmail.com wrote:
I refer to ASCAP's guidelines which state " ASCAP members are individuals who make their living writing music. As a society of composers, songwriters, lyricists and music publishers, we know very well that there are many steps between creation and compensation; months, if not years, can pass between the creation of a song, its recording, its release, its performance, and the day when the revenues due to the writer actually arrive. A music creator is like a small business, and ASCAP exists to ensure that music creators are paid promptly when their works are performed publicly."
By the time that a songwriter earns revenue, the song has to be recorded, released, sold to the public and played on radio and television. By that stage, the performers would meet WP:music in any event.
Really? I guess I misread the page. Let's take [[Tina Vero]], for instance ( http://www.tinavero.com/).
1) Has had a Top 100 hit on any national music chart, in a large or medium-sized country
No.
2) Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in a large or medium-sized country*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUSIC#Note
No.
3) Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)
No. She's released one album on an independent label (Handmade Muse) she created herself.
4) Has been prominently featured in any major music media.
No. Minor features in minor music media maybe, some articles in local college newspapers and the like, an article in the New York Times which wasn't really about her music, but no prominent features in any major music media.
5) Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise extremely notable
None of the musicians who have worked with her would pass wp:music.
6) Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city
No.
7) Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award
Nope.
But has she received play on local radio stations? Yes. Is she in ASCAP? Yes. Has she released an album? Yes. Can a verifiable article be written about her? Yes.
I would accept ASCAP listing in voting on AfD articles about a performer.
That performer is very likely to have achieved notability by that stage in any event but thanks for bringing the resource to my attention.
Now you say very likely to have achieved notability. Which one is it? Does [[Tina Vero]] pass wp:music or not? Would you vote to keep or delete an article on her? Do I need to come up with more examples? She just happened to be the first one I checked, I'm sure I could find many more. The next one I checked was [[Andy & Denise]] (http://www.andyanddenise.com/). In ASCAP. Would they pass wp:music? I checked [[CC Railroad]] ( http://www.ccrailroad.com/), and they're not in ASCAP as far as I can tell, but they are in artistdirect. Would you consider them verifiable or not?
In any case, there's a huge gap between verifiability and [[WP:MUSIC]]. That's the gap I'm talking about, so your strawmen about unverifiable artists is irrelevant.
Anthony