Perhaps that's true, but there seems to be a general disagreement when something is verifiable, original research or NPOV to begin with. I consider a minor band that doesn't pass WP:MUSIC as vanity which is essentially a sort of POV that says, I'm important enough for an encyclopedia even though I haven't released any singles or albums yet. Others claim, as noted, that they're verifiable, non-original research and NPOV because the article doesn't promote them. I think the mere fact of putting something on a high-profile site as Wikipedia could be seen as an attempt of promotion. -
On 10/1/05, Daniel P. B. Smith dpbsmith@verizon.net wrote:
From: Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com Inclusionists and Deletionists are playing what they think is a zero-sum game. It's WORSE than that: the mere presence of their mindless ranting is actually HURTING Wikipedia. By arguing over what should be kept/deleted, we lose information. We lose readers. We lose editors.
The solution:
Become more encylopedia-like.
For just about every value of X, where the number of total X is sufficiently large, we can make more logical and more comprehensive articles by MERGING the bits of information we have (which on their own, are perma-stubs) into more comprehensive articles on the topic.
In doing so, we play a BETTER than zero-sum game. We build articles that a "traditional" encyclopedia would be jealous of. We HELP Wikipedia by having articles that both retain information and look professional.
I'd like to call attention to some remarks by Encephalon. I hesitate to do this because of the context that they're in, and I hope he/she will work them up into a standalone essay, but nevertheless. Take a look in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/ Lingnan_Primary_School
near the bottom, the portion that begins:
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That is the very first thing you read under Key Policies (WP:RULES), the main page of the essential rules that govern this encyclopedia. It is the very first thing that you read in the fundamental five pillars (WP:5P). The fundamental requirements of encyclopedia writing are enshrined in the basic, fundamental tenets of its policies. WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV are each and all fundamental rules that we may not ignore as we please...
...and the subsequent discussion, and this _very interesting_ comment:
"I am using the criteria all of us should use: the principles central to writing encyclopedic articles on WP. Pages which violate those policies should be removed, whether they've been on WP for 3 weeks or 3 years, whether they pertain to the United States or to sub-Saharan Africa. Likewise, pages that are written in accordance with such principles should be kept, no matter how obscure or unknown to WPns at large."
-- Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith@verizon.net "Elinor Goulding Smith's Great Big Messy Book" is now back in print! Sample chapter at http://world.std.com/~dpbsmith/messy.html Buy it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1403314063/
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