On 11/21/05, Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
Just as a heads up, while you were indulging in the usual masturbatory discussions of whether AfD is deeply flawed again that seem to follow every time I point this out, Dragonfiend put the recently concluded Checkerboard Nightmare on AfD. His nomination was, as far too many nominations in far too many fields are, borne of out and out ignorance - nobody who is remotely knowledgable about webcomics would even think to propose Checkerboard Nightmare for deletion. But, of course, the votes of people who know what they're talking about continue to have active voice with the people who have decided that ridding Wikipedia of the scourge of webcomics (or blogs) (or whatever) is their mission in life.
You can't stop people from listing stuff on afd. You can make a solid enough case to prevent something from being deleted. It's one of the effects of wikipedia being a wiki
The article isn't going to get deleted, so don't rush off to find it and vote to keep - it's fine. But go ahead and have a look at http:// www.websnark.com/archives/2005/11/however_the_ent.html so you can see Wikipedia take another prominent hit from an important member of the webcomics community. Compare that to http://www.websnark.com/archives/ 2004/11/a_modest_webcom.html a year ago. In the past year, we have taken someone who was strongly pro-Wikipedia and turned him into someone who thinks we suck. Someone prominent, influential, and, frankly, damn respectable.
So some people have fragile egos and rush to judgment. Somehow I don't think we are going to be able to change basic human traints. Checkerboard Nightmare was never really in any danger of deletion. This reminds of that australian jewidh group laying into us because one of our articles got vandalised. Yes it happens but if people are going to judge wikipedia by the actions of one person I don't think there is away way we are going to be able to keep them happy.
So, yeah. AfD? Still broken. Still driving people away. Still generating ill will, bad faith, and bad decisions.
Evidence that this person was contibuteing to wikipedia in the first place? Even a basic understanding of procedures would have allowed the person to understand that being listed on AFD doesn't mean much.
Carry on your fiddling. I'm gonna go get front row seats for when the Colosseum ignites.
-Phil
You will exuse me while I dowse the front row seats in petrol?
-- geni