Actually, slight correction: User:Nobs04, who is not a bad contributor most of the time but is not very subtle in his thinking on these things, has contacted a number of "extremely conservative" editors (I won't get into whether I find their thinking subtle):
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TDC&diff=prev&ol... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJive&diff=prev&... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ObsidianOrder&diff=p... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Barneygumble&diff=pr... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3APitchka&diff=27659...
Now, I'm not saying there's necessarily anything wrong with calling relevant attentions to articles, though I might, in an entirely POV and personal way, say that I don't think these people are really the best people to be deciding this particular issue, as they've got a pretty clear axe to grind... perhaps a few other people could take a look at that vote.
FF
On 11/8/05, Fastfission fastfission@gmail.com wrote:
Well, so far it is failing at CFD, at the hands of people who either have an axe to grind or don't really get the issues, in my opinion. Ah, but such is the wiki way!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_Nove...
FF
On 11/7/05, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
This proposal has a lot of merit, and gets us out of a tricky situation.
-Cberlet
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Fastfission Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:41 PM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Category:Soviet spies
My recommendation: [[Category:Alleged Soviet spies]] (serious allegations only, thankyouverymuch), and [[Category:Convicted Soviet spies]]. In both cases we avoid having to make a value judgment as to the truth of said espionage accusation by making it into a category bestowed by other people. (That is, whether the Rosenbergs were Soviet spies is still disputed by some, but none would dispute that they were convicted as such).
FF
On 11/7/05, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest you bring this up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CFD
I agree that the change needs to be made. Perhaps there can be a second category for confirmed Soviet spies.
Sam
On 11/7/05, Chip Berlet c.berlet@publiceye.org wrote:
Hi,
The Wikipedia entry "Category:Soviet spies" is a magnet for a defamation lawsuit. Many of the people in the list were never indicted, and some denied the charge in public. At least
one person
is still alive: "Harry Magdoff".
At best, this should be renamed to something like:
"Category:Accused
Soviet spies" .
I freely confess I have a vested interest in this matter,
currently
well into the second month of mdiation with Nobs01on a related matter without a single compromise paragraph having been written:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
t_and_Nobs01/Workshop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
t_and_Nobs01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Cberle
t_and_Nobs01/A3
But since this mediation seems to be dragging on for months, I though that I would mention this now, rather than wait for the mediation to hit the year 2006.
Some folks here on this list should consider the possible
defmation
issue very seriously. I messed up my first attempt to
deal with this
on Wiki. I meant to suggest a name change or deletion, but misunderstood the process.
I have prevailed after being sued for defamation twice,
but it cost
tens of thousands of dollars just to get a judge to toss
me out of
the case.
Cberlet
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