On 7/5/05, JAY JG <jayjg(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Skyring <skyring(a)gmail.com>
>
>On 7/4/05, JAY JG <jayjg(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >From: "Nathan J. Yoder" <njyoder(a)energon.org>
> > > > No, it's supposed to work that way. It's doing exactly what
it is
> > >intended
> > > > to do.
> > >
> > >No, it's supposed to protect against block evasion, how is it doing
> > >that in this case?
> >
> > Attempts to edit while you are blocked are attempts to evade the block.
>
>That doesn't make sense. A blocked user CANNOT edit. It is like
removing
the engine from the car of a driver whose license has been
suspended and saying that turning the key in the ignition is an
attempt to drive. It isn't - the car's not going anywhere. The driver
KNOWS this.
Well, that's not really accurate, but most blocked
users can no longer us a
different Userid to avoid the block, precisely because Wikipedia blocks the
IP address when attempts are made to do this. That wasn't the case before
the IP blocker was added.
I'm talking about the same logged-in user. The system has removed the
engine and they are merely turning the ignition key. Obviously if they
use a different IP address and don't log in, then they can edit, but
in such a case the system doesn't know who they are, it doesn't stop
them editing and it doesn't reset the block.
Please focus on the point of this discussion.
> > >What purpose does it serve exactly?
> >
> > Protects against block evasion.
>
>How so? A blocked user CANNOT edit. If you already have absolute
protection,
then you don't need any more. Surely this is plain common
sense.
If only that were the case. In practice, blocked
editors edit all the time;
this simply stops the ones with fixed IP addresses from editing with
sockpuppets.
No it doesn't. In such a case they CANNOT edit. The system stops them.
The fact that the block is reset doesn't stop them editing. They can't
edit anyway.
Please address the point. I notice that you removed the sections of
text that I included to make the point clear (which I've now
reinserted), so I'm assuming that you have grasped the point I am
making and now you are trying to erect a strawman. This doesn't really
help.
--
Peter in Canberra