On 7/5/05, JAY JG jayjg@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Skyring skyring@gmail.com
On 7/4/05, JAY JG jayjg@hotmail.com wrote:
From: "Nathan J. Yoder" njyoder@energon.org
No, it's supposed to work that way. It's doing exactly what it is
intended
to do.
No, it's supposed to protect against block evasion, how is it doing that in this case?
Attempts to edit while you are blocked are attempts to evade the block.
That doesn't make sense. A blocked user CANNOT edit. It is like
removing the engine from the car of a driver whose license has been suspended and saying that turning the key in the ignition is an attempt to drive. It isn't - the car's not going anywhere. The driver KNOWS this.
Well, that's not really accurate, but most blocked users can no longer us a different Userid to avoid the block, precisely because Wikipedia blocks the IP address when attempts are made to do this. That wasn't the case before the IP blocker was added.
I'm talking about the same logged-in user. The system has removed the engine and they are merely turning the ignition key. Obviously if they use a different IP address and don't log in, then they can edit, but in such a case the system doesn't know who they are, it doesn't stop them editing and it doesn't reset the block.
Please focus on the point of this discussion.
What purpose does it serve exactly?
Protects against block evasion.
How so? A blocked user CANNOT edit. If you already have absolute
protection, then you don't need any more. Surely this is plain common sense.
If only that were the case. In practice, blocked editors edit all the time; this simply stops the ones with fixed IP addresses from editing with sockpuppets.
No it doesn't. In such a case they CANNOT edit. The system stops them.
The fact that the block is reset doesn't stop them editing. They can't edit anyway.
Please address the point. I notice that you removed the sections of text that I included to make the point clear (which I've now reinserted), so I'm assuming that you have grasped the point I am making and now you are trying to erect a strawman. This doesn't really help.