Bjorn, that you don't see the POV in [[Lyndon LaRouche]] demonstrates what others were arguing on this list earlier, which is that editors often need to have a degree of expertise to spot POV additions and omissions. (The stuff left out of this article is the worst of it.) When you're faced with determined POV pushers, but the POV requires knowledge to spot, it can be hard to find other editors who will help, because they look at the article and think it's okay. If the POV were obvious, it would be less of a problem because readers would spot it too. It's the less obvious kind that does the harm, because readers will believe it. The Star Wars section I was referring to in [[Lyndon LaRouche]] is below. It is cited, and so it's not Wikipedia that's saying this, it's the quoted source. In that way, it meets [[Wikipedia:Cite sources]]. That doesn't change the fact that it's a load of baloney, and we shouldn't be quoting people who talk nonsense.
Slim
"According to a speech made by LaRouche science advisor Paul Gallagher [http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3110sdi_timeline.html], LaRouche and his representatives met with Reagan administration Energy Secretary [[Donald Hodel]], Interior Secretary [[James Watt]], Science Adviser Dr. [[George Keyworth]], and State Department official [[Richard Morris]] in early [[1981]]. Gallagher also claims that later that year Lyndon and Helga Zepp-LaRouche met with [[CIA]] Deputy Director [[Bobby Ray Inman]], and cites the following remarks, made in early [[1993]] at the National Press Club by former head of German Military Intelligence, Gen. Paul-Albert Scherer:
"In the Spring of 1982 here in the Soviet Embassy there were very important secret talks that were held ... The question was: Did the United States and the Soviet Union wish jointly to develop an anti-ballistic missile defense that would have made nuclear war impossible? Then, in August, you had this very sharp Soviet rejection of the entire idea.... I have discussed this thoroughly with the developer, the originator of this idea, who is the scientific-technological strategic expert, Lyndon LaRouche. The [Soviet] rejection came in August, and at that point the American President Reagan decided to push this entire thing out into the public eye, so he made his speech of March 1983." (Press Conference at the National Press Club, Washington, DC., May 6, 1992; video of Scherer's remarks was broadcast on the "LaRouche Connection" cable TV program throughout the U.S.) [http://www.larouchepub.com/tv/tlc_programs_1991-1995.html]
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:04:25 +0100, BJörn Lindqvist bjourne@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know, the Lyndon LaRouche article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche) reads:
"He [LaRouche] claims to have pioneered such ideas as the International Development Bank, the Strategic Defense Initiative or 'Star Wars,' and the so-called Eurasian Land-Bridge."
I don't see what the problem with that line is, it seems to be factual in that LaRouche has claimed to have invented SDI. You have to find a better example, because I have read the LaRouche article and I couldn't find any obvious NPOV faults.