Delirium a écrit:
Anthere wrote:
Till yesterday, the information on landing and on the probe was entirely in the mission article. Even today, most of the information was still in the mission article, not on the landing one. To such a point there is currently no wikipedia reference on the net about the landing article. Wikipedia reference is on the mission article.
Why would that be the right thing to do? The landing is merely one part if the mission---The [[Apollo 11]] page, by comparison, doesn't have one article on the trip *to* the moon, and a separate article on the moon landing. There's one article on the entire mission, trip and landing, and then separate articles on the equipment, like the lunar module.
You cannot compare I think. Unless I am wrong, the Apollo II main mission was to go on the moon. So, the craft, the mission and the equipement may be confused in one reference. Also, it was set only by only one country.
In this case, the Cassini mission is multiple, and releasing a probe is only one of its mission among others. Among its mission, there is a mission of carrying a probe. But there are other missions. So that makes sense to differenciate the mission of one craft, with the mission of one of the object it is carrying, because the goals of both parts were different. The engineers working on one part had for the goal to reach one place in the universe in good shape, the other engineers had the goal of landing titan and getting data. This is not the same mission, so it makes sense that there are not treated under the same name entirely, though obviously an article under mixed name is due.
The second point, and the one which really makes me react is simply that both parts, even if of course the job was a common job, were not created by the same people, from the same nation.
The probe landing is a HUGE success for the european space industry. In particular after recent failure. Huge means for all this industry new blood, more money etc... While repeated failure would mean basically strongly reducing space activity for Europe.
You may find this minor issue. It is not. The mission is certainly a big success for both NASA and ESA. But it has a special meaning for Europe in particular. And if the probe landing had failed, it would have been amply advertised that the US mission was a success while the ESA mission was a disaster.
So, honesty would be to fairly report a european success as a european success. Yesterday, in one of the article, there were some external links to pictures and report of the probe landing and picture labelled as [[cassini images]].
Sorry, if you feel that it is NPOV, you are either very blind, or very political.
So,
here, the landing should be in [[Cassini-Huygens]], unless we're talking about detailed information about how the landing was carried out by the probe or something like that.
I don't see how this is American bias, either. The European Space Agency's own website containing the pictures of the landing has a title of "Cassini-Huygens", and is located here: http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/index.html
The ESA's gallery with the pictures is entitled "Cassini-Huygens images" (left sidebar on the above site).
I just don't see *anyone*, including the ESA, using "Huygens" as a separate
name for the landing, only as the name of the piece of
equipment.
http://www.google.fr/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=fr&btnG=Recherche+Go...
Google search on "Huygens probe" used as alone an expression : 164 000 results.
Besides, what you say is just wrong. Look at http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/
It is written in this page :
15 January 2005 Audio data collected by the Huygens Atmospheric Structure Instrument (HASI) etc... 14 January 2005 Europe reaches new frontier – Huygens lands on Titan 14 January 2005 Radio astronomers confirm Huygens entry in the atmosphere of Titan 14 January 2005 Huygens descent timeline 12 January 2005 Huygens trajectory spot on
The word used on the ESA site for the landing IS Huygens.
BBC report : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4121515.stm
Word used to refer to all landing events : Huygens probe
Another source : http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/huygens-mission.cfm What are the references for the landing : Huygens.
NOT Huygens-Cassini.
There is a good reason for this : this is the Huygens probe.
So it would seem reasonable that we use the name that both
NASA and the ESA use, which is "Cassini-Huygens".
-Mark
It would be reasonable to use the word everyone use for the probe and the landing, and the only one fair in reporting the reality. The probe is called Huygens probe. And it is the probe which landed and took pictures. Not the Cassini.