On 12/13/05, Tony Sidaway f.crdfa@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/13/05, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/11/05, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
One thing we should probably introduce in this area though is that articles which do not provide any references should be speedy deletions. Now there are probably a whole lot of good articles out there right now which would fit that, so for now let's make the CSD criterion only for articles caught in the first 48 hours.
Now this, while a rather draconian policy, is at least not inimical to the nature of Wikipedia, as AfD is. Of course, I'd rather that people be expected to make a good-faith effort to find a reference before deleting.
I think this is something that we need collaboration for. A page upon which articles that don't contain any references at all can be placed. If references are added they can be removed from the page. If they stay there for a month or so, they may be deleted. No limits on article age would be needed.
My only hesitation here is that I don't think there are very many valid articles in Wikipedia for which finding a reference is not very easy. For those few articles in that category, I don't see the harm in *requiring* that they be referenced *before* they are added (by the author, or they could even be put on the new "Articles for Creation").
If articles are given a month to get references, I believe that is only going to make the page grow bigger and more unmanageable. This is especially true because the number of new articles in a day is only going to go up, not down. If we can't reference them faster than we add them, the process will fail regardless of whether there is a month or a day to complete it. In fact, it will probably only fail harder because there will be more people wasting time trying to reference those articles which can't be referenced.
At least a month is better than forever, but I think a month is too long to be manageable.
How about this: we list pages there for a month, but after 24 hours the article gets moved to the user's subpage. And let's add this: an article doesn't get moved, even after 24 hours, unless a member of the "article referencing team" (or whatever) says that s/he has spent a few minutes looking for a source and failed. If no one bothers to make a good faith search effort, the article stays in article space for up to a month.
Anthony