"Fennec Foxen" fennec@gmail.com wrote in message news:3406cd4e04050716174153651c@mail.gmail.com...
On Fri, 07 May 2004 14:30:37 -0700, Stan Shebs
shebs@apple.com wrote:
Having scanned their RC, I think they're going to be preoccupied with their own problems more than attacking Wikipedia. For instance, 142.177 created some pages about some of our favorite people ("Auntie" Angela, Tim Starling, and Erik Moeller) summarizing their evil deeds (great reading, like watching Rashomon), then later somebody named Juxho blanked them! A beautiful example of people bringing their baggage with them wherever they go...
Do the site owners know about this? Do you think this is just another friendly Recyclopedia which 142.177 is subverting to his own purpouses? How can we contact the owners and ask them whether they find this acceptable? =/
The site owner is Juxho. Stan Shebs noticed him blanking some things. I've suggested to Juxho before that he might want to get rid of 142, but he's happy to tolerate him, just deleting particularly objectionable material. 142 has been at consumerium for many months now.
142 is a professional wiki troll. He is active on many wikis. On some wikis he encounters resistance, like Wikinfo or Wikipedia, and on others, he is able to set up shop and write about his philosophy in detail, and edit the wiki's statements of policy and direction to include his own peculiar views.
Why doesn't 142.177 just spring for his own wiki hosting already? =b
He's been offered free hosting at least twice. But that's no fun. Unless he's stepping on someone's toes while he writes, there's no point in writing. Here's what he told me when I suggested moving off consumerium to a wiki made just for him:
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Absolutely not. If you attempt such a move, you will be undone. Also if you persist, defamed in ways that reach beyond wiki-space (fair game, as libel of named parties was begun on your "mailing list").
The Content Wiki and Opinion Wiki of Consumerium will have very severe governance problems. The Wikipedia problems are just a prototype or foreshadowing of these. So while it is normal to have no-compromise high-engagement faction-biased discourses like this one (why we would engage), that by no means implies compromise on any principle. Be VERY clear on this:
Many people would physically harm you without a bat of conscience for severely reducing the odds of Consumerium or equivalent services functioning as intended, or sabotaging it once "in play". Fair trade matters. (Developing world education also matters, which is why User:Angela is an anathema). That's just fact. You have no doubt seen anti-globalization and pro-fair-trade marches on TV, and some get hurt, and some throw bricks back.
Failing to comprehend and avoid Consumerium Governance problems will, in trolls' view, reduce the odds of success. Be absolutely clear: you are making real-world enemies here, Tim Starling. And many real-world enemies do in fact go so far as to kill to protect what they value. No amount of agreement between this typist and that typist will change that in our respective lifetimes. Insistence on technological means of arbitration only escalates the conflicts and makes them worse. "You" as defined by your typings, trollings and "blocks" are therefore not a person, but part of a problem. One we intend to address by any means necessary. Your use of technological power puts you morally in the wrong, by definition. Do not align your body with your tools. It's a fatal mistake, and one most people learn only when it's far too late, when they realize their tools cannot protect them from whatever trolls they sought to silence. You are not owed warnings - from here, it's next stop abyss. The next troll may be armed with something more than truth and typing.
Therefore, the faction proposal, to deal with those issues of political dispute where people violently disagree, and will do harm to each other if not channeled into due process that respects factionally defined terms, as such. Pursue it, or ignore it. It too is a technological stopgap. It will work well enough for Consumerium Governance, or m:Wikipedia Governance, but it will not solve all the world's problems. If you seek harmony, you are best to abandon physics, software, and the Internet, and be a better gardener.
The world tree is waiting...
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-- Tim Starling