Mark wrote: "I don't know whether Harold Shipman still denies murder, but, if he admits it, then surely calling him a murderer is justified and NPOV. If he disputes it, then calling him a 'convicted murderer, a charge that he still denies' seems fair."
Sannse replied: "It's rather pedantic and irrelevant to the discussion, but Shipman isn't denying anything any more - he's dead."
I think Mark is right about a great many things, but leaving it to a murderer to decide how their history is written is not one of them. These days even a guy who goes postal on an office full of people is still just an "alleged murderer." If we just agreed that murder has a real definition, in religious, (old government), social (culture trancending governments) and legal (recent law) contexts, then to let someone denial of their extremely low social status of "murderer" by simple matter of opinion is... POV. We dont consider POV unless its attributed, and in that case, I disagree that a denial should be so closely attached to the facts, as if they were in the least related.
Yes, I know; this energy should be going toward articles. ;) -~~~
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