I'm not saying ban without reading the edit history. I'm saying that, if the edit history is as described, that, combined with the other evidence that already exists (Similarity if names, timing of arrival, similarity of politics, unusually high knowledge of how Wikipedia works), is, in my mind, grounds for a ban. If the edit history is not as described, that's another story. But IP evidence is really neither here nor there. So many Wikipedia vandals use IP spoofing at this point it's not funny. (To say nothing of the fact that IP evidence is really hard to gather.)
My feeling is that if God or Jimbo had meant for us to use IP evidence as the final arbiter of sockpuppet banning, he'd have given sysops the ability to look at IPs. Lacking that, I think we can look at the rest of the evidence and make a pretty good call. Everything except the edit history says ban to me. I don't know about the edit history. Somebody else want to chime in?
-Snowspinner
On Jul 2, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mark Richards wrote:
I don't think this is a good idea. Banning someone because you don't have the patience to look at edit histories isn't the kind of thing we need. IP addresses are usually accepted as evidence in this case, and since this user has done nothing wrong, it seems crazy to try to block him. This is the kind of baiting that leads to more conflict. The user is using the term troll to declare his politics about Wikipedia, but that in itself is not a good reason to ban him. Mark
--- Phil Sandifer sandifer@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I think it's probably beside the point - IP addresses can be spoofed. If it were the same, it would be proof. If it's different, it doesn't show anything one way or another.
I've not got the time or patience to go digging into the edit histories for similarities, but if the alleged similarities exist, I'd have no problem with a swift ban for reincarnation.
But, then, I've got minimal patience for people who don't appear to be editing in good faith. This user is admitting on his userpage that he is a troll, in the tradition of a number of other banned trolls. This is not good faith. No deep philosophical debate needed here.
-Snowspinner
On Jul 2, 2004, at 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
He has an IP address of 217.26.162.142 listed on
his user page. Would
one of the developers mind checking out whether
that matches up to
EntmootsOfTrolls or JRR Trollkien?
--Michael Snow
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